MikeO Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Powerful stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 02/02/2020 at 06:04, MikeO said: Powerful stuff. The longer Bernie is in the race the less chance we have of winning. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chach said: The longer Bernie is in the race the less chance we have of winning. who are you referring to as "we" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, Chach said: The longer Bernie is in the race the less chance we have of winning. Agreed. I like him well enough, but I feel he's too far left for the current political climate over here. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: who are you referring to as "we" ? People who want to defeat Trump. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 I really worry for the safety of the whistleblower and his family now that multiple senators have publicly quoted his name. Some crazy Trump supporter might well seek to cause him harm. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 17:04, MikeO said: Powerful stuff. Bernie Sanders would be the Democrats' Jeremy Corbyn. Because of some of the things he's done in the past (such as praise Venezuela's Hugo Chavez), he would be unelectable - the easiest candidate to defeat in an election. Sad but true. At this point, I don't see a viable candidate, and I fear that big money will once again come into play (Michael Bloomberg). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted February 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Bernie Sanders would be the Democrats' Jeremy Corbyn. Because of some of the things he's done in the past (such as praise Venezuela's Hugo Chavez), he would be unelectable - the easiest candidate to defeat in an election. Sad but true. At this point, I don't see a viable candidate, and I fear that big money will once again come into play (Michael Bloomberg). This seems to be the Democrats on-going problem. The above could have been written about Hilary (and probably was). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, johnh said: This seems to be the Democrats on-going problem. The above could have been written about Hilary (and probably was). Yeah, nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Chach said: People who want to defeat Trump. none of them are in a great position to beat Trump, but Sanders is better than most. He has a lot of similar positions to Trump on things like free trade, manufacturing, US jobs, the things that the blue collar workers voted for Trump for. I'd argue he's the best candidate of who the democrats have. Neo- Liberalism is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cornish Steve Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 One for the history books: a classic example of courage, integrity, and conscience - from a man with whom I mostly disagree but whom, today, I admire. MikeO, Chach, dunlopp9987 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Not done any good though. Never expected anything but Trump getting away with things again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: none of them are in a great position to beat Trump, but Sanders is better than most. He has a lot of similar positions to Trump on things like free trade, manufacturing, US jobs, the things that the blue collar workers voted for Trump for. I'd argue he's the best candidate of who the democrats have. Neo- Liberalism is not the answer. Sanders represents old style socialism and that is the platform they will fight him on. Liberalism is the only answer, the sooner the left get that in their head the sooner they'll start winning again. Sibdane and holystove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Chach said: Sanders represents old style socialism and that is the platform they will fight him on. Liberalism is the only answer, the sooner the left get that in their head the sooner they'll start winning again. I agree with what I think you mean but 2 things; 1) socialism doesn’t truly exist at the moment 2) definitions of basically all sides have been simplified to such an extent that they’ve become nonsense / labels for people to affiliate themselves too. for example, I’m apparently a right wing centralist liberal according to my beliefs purely because I’ve got a range of opinions. But that doesn’t fit in with the media and the “easy to understand”, or “woke” ( :lol: ) times. Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, Matt said: I agree with what I think you mean but 2 things; 1) socialism doesn’t truly exist at the moment 2) definitions of basically all sides have been simplified to such an extent that they’ve become nonsense / labels for people to affiliate themselves too. for example, I’m apparently a right wing centralist liberal according to my beliefs purely because I’ve got a range of opinions. But that doesn’t fit in with the media and the “easy to understand”, or “woke” ( :lol: ) times. 1) The idea of socialism exists and its not an election winner in any western democracy, this is demonstrably true, its a demonstrable failure and I'm not sure how many times we have to run the experiment before we realise that it doesn't correlate with human nature. 2) Identifying as left wing doesn't mean you have to have all left wing positions if you understand that human culture is diverse. If people who identify as progressive haven't been made a little bit more conservative by Trump, Brexit, what's going on in Eastern Europe, Brazil. Turkey etc then I would argue they're not really progressive. They're just the other end of the reactionary spectrum. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/trump-bernie-sanders-socialism.html?fbclid=IwAR3LANjMfA4EeLu2tlwDsVQSKd2UuvEOY_wLhETB5UxjYu-yY1_S4U8myv8 Sibdane and Cornish Steve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51389540 markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Chach said: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/trump-bernie-sanders-socialism.html?fbclid=IwAR3LANjMfA4EeLu2tlwDsVQSKd2UuvEOY_wLhETB5UxjYu-yY1_S4U8myv8 He lies and changes opinions hourly, his thoughts on the matter mean nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Chach said: 1) The idea of socialism exists and its not an election winner in any western democracy, this is demonstrably true, its a demonstrable failure and I'm not sure how many times we have to run the experiment before we realise that it doesn't correlate with human nature. 2) Identifying as left wing doesn't mean you have to have all left wing positions if you understand that human culture is diverse. If people who identify as progressive haven't been made a little bit more conservative by Trump, Brexit, what's going on in Eastern Europe, Brazil. Turkey etc then I would argue they're not really progressive. They're just the other end of the reactionary spectrum. 1) it’ll never happen because 2) Human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 "But now we have that gorgeous word. I never thought a word would sound so good - it's called, 'total acquittal'." Two words when I was at school Donald, 1+1=? Use a calculator if you need to. Can he actually tie his own shoelaces or does he have someone to do it for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, MikeO said: "But now we have that gorgeous word. I never thought a word would sound so good - it's called, 'total acquittal'." Two words when I was at school Donald, 1+1=? Use a calculator if you need to. Can he actually tie his own shoelaces or does he have someone to do it for him? Putin does it for him. Matt, markjazzbassist and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: He lies and changes opinions hourly, his thoughts on the matter mean nothing. Not really an argument, regardless of what you think of the author there a lot of good points and references confirming the same thing. I really don't like Ben Shapiro but it's hard to argue with any part of this article, all the right wingers are clucking for Bernie to be the nom. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/05/why_the_democrats_wont_stop_bernie_142316.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Chach said: Not really an argument, regardless of what you think of the author there a lot of good points and references confirming the same thing. I really don't like Ben Shapiro but it's hard to argue with any part of this article, all the right wingers are clucking for Bernie to be the nom. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/05/why_the_democrats_wont_stop_bernie_142316.html of course they are, they all believe bernie is "pinko commie scum" thinking it's still 1970 and Vietnam war is still happening. they got brainwashed back then in regards to socialism (well done us educational system) and still hold to those beliefs. notice the future of my country 30 and younger bernie cleans up. the only moderate potentially able to go head to head with trump in my opinion is bloomberg but he's so late and not getting votes in the primaries so i think he's a lost cause. butigeeg tied bernie in iowa but he is awful with voters that aren't white, so he has no chance as democrats are a very diverse group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 16 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: of course they are, they all believe bernie is "pinko commie scum" thinking it's still 1970 and Vietnam war is still happening. they got brainwashed back then in regards to socialism (well done us educational system) and still hold to those beliefs. notice the future of my country 30 and younger bernie cleans up. the only moderate potentially able to go head to head with trump in my opinion is bloomberg but he's so late and not getting votes in the primaries so i think he's a lost cause. butigeeg tied bernie in iowa but he is awful with voters that aren't white, so he has no chance as democrats are a very diverse group. Are you using the term socialism interchangeably with social redistribution or do you really think the government you would prefer should do things like Bernie has suggested in the past like nationalise banks and industry and have a centrally planned economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Chach said: In my state it doesn't really matter who I vote for since it always votes conservative (MS); however, I'm more than certain I'll be writing in Yang. He's my favorite candidate by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51449739 No depth too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 hours ago, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51449739 No depth too low. he has no integrity no character no respect. he's a disgrace to this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Yang is out, I am super surprised at how well Buttigieg is doing. With 59% of New Hampshire precincts, Bernie Sanders leads Pete Buttigieg by 2.1 points. The Vermont senator is at 26%, and the former Indiana mayor is at 23.9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 no surprise at all, new hampshire is a very moderate state as a whole, they trend republican usually. even their democrats are more centrist than left. prime buttigieg territory. where he is going to have trouble are the big states like california and new york and so forth, these little ones don't amount to much in the end, they just get the ball rolling with the primaries. big story of the night is klobuchar (another moderate) doing so well and biden in 5th. I think next is south carolina and if he doesn't do well there i could see him dropping out. i wouldn't be surprised if warren drops soon too, she's not doing very well, she needs to get to massachusetts or something to get a win, not sure if she will last that long. yang never had a chance. seemed like a nice guy, maybe he should try getting into politics at the house or senate level and get some experience there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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