Sibdane Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 He's a complete tool, but yeah, an assassination would probably only help his "cause." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I'd rather he was impeached, assassination potentially creates martyrdom... He's a complete tool, but yeah, an assassination would probably only help his "cause." I know, it was an emotional reaction rather than a rational one, but one that I'd find hard to resist given the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I know, it was an emotional reaction rather than a rational one, but one that I'd find hard to resist given the opportunity. Don't worry, Mike. Never thought you'd actually want anyone (most) assassinated. [emoji4] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Assassination is the only way this is going to end if it keeps on like this though. Said it to someone just yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 It's all his right hand man Steve bannon a professed white supremacist. Executive order removed the joint chiefs of staff from intelligence briefings and he replaced them with Bannon. No one had ever done that. He basically said I want a guy who runs a right wing website (super far right, alt right) to be my advisor and the real people who gather intelligence don't know what they are doing. Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Assassination is the only way this is going to end if it keeps on like this though. Said it to someone just yesterday.I won't be surprised if he gets impeached at some point. He's already the most polarizing president we've had in our history, and I don't doubt some shady dealings have already happened between Trump and whomever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Insane, beyond belief, reprehensible. Please someone assassinate him quick. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38786660 He says it is to stop the chances of terrorism and attacks yet those who were confirmed to have carried out 9/11 where from Saudi Arabia who oddly aren't on the list.... Ahh they own 8% of the American economy.... figures Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 He says it is to stop the chances of terrorism and attacks yet those who were confirmed to have carried out 9/11 where from Saudi Arabia who oddly aren't on the list.... Ahh they own 8% of the American economy.... figures Spot on. No terrorist in the last 45 years from those countries. Meanwhile Egypt and Saudi Arabia where most of them have been from are totally fine to come in an out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I wish people would stop with those fucking petitions. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Spot on. No terrorist in the last 45 years from those countries. Meanwhile Egypt and Saudi Arabia where most of them have been from are totally fine to come in an out. I'm not advocating what he is doing but like it's been mentioned, it's not in USAs interest to stop Egyptians and Saudis outright as they clearly have a much bigger vested interest in those two countries. I am also pretty certain that there are known terrorist training camps in most if not all of the other countries mentioned so whilst nationals might not be the problem (ie I think the Belgian bombers went to Syria) there are clearly links with terrorism to those countries. The way I am interpreting this, and I may be naive, is that this is a way of a sending a message to the terror cells in these countries (and others) but also for the US govt to make sure they know a lot more about how is coming in and out. They aren't the only country in the world to have bans on immigrants and the USA did it to an extent under Obama with Iraqis refugees for 6 months (I think it was Iraqis anyway). It's not something I think they should be doing but it's one of the reasons they were voted into power and to that extent he is expressing the will of his people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 He says it is to stop the chances of terrorism and attacks yet those who were confirmed to have carried out 9/11 where from Saudi Arabia who oddly aren't on the list.... Ahh they own 8% of the American economy.... figures It's not about owning the economy: It's about Trump owning or planning to build hotels in these countries. https://mic.com/articles/130070/here-are-some-of-donald-trump-s-middle-east-business-ventures#.NsACqTxb5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I wish people would stop with those fucking petitions. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be shot. I came up with the idea for mine, and I stand by it. If the new US administration plans to intimidate me, a legal resident of 31 years, then I shall do what I can to convince my government to return the favour. When it's personal, these things matter. Yes, it could be viewed as the principle of an eye for an eye, to which I usually do not subscribe, but this is not meant as an inconvenience to my American friends but as a means to stir up a little outrage. How would they feel if the British government did to them what the Trump administration is now doing to me? Edited January 29, 2017 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I'm not advocating what he is doing but like it's been mentioned, it's not in USAs interest to stop Egyptians and Saudis outright as they clearly have a much bigger vested interest in those two countries. So let in the (potentially) most likely terrorists because it's good for the economy and ditch the lesser threat because that'll excite the neanderthals that voted for him. Makes complete sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I wish people would stop with those fucking petitions. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be shot.didnt realize you were a yank! Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I wish people would stop with those fucking petitions. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be shot. There have been petitions for centuries, used to be you had to sign for them on a big list, internet has made it easier. Great way of putting a popular point over, really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it; if you don't agree you don't sign. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 There have been petitions for centuries, used to be you had to sign for them on a big list, internet has made it easier. Great way of putting a popular point over, really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it; if you don't agree you don't sign. indeed. Problem is that publishing online shows less effort and subsequently less valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 indeed. Problem is that publishing online shows less effort and subsequently less valid It's the world be live in, genie can't be put back in the bottle. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Haha. 1984. http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/28/media/it-cant-happen-here-1984-best-sellers/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 It's not about owning the economy: It's about Trump owning or planning to build hotels in these countries. https://mic.com/articles/130070/here-are-some-of-donald-trump-s-middle-east-business-ventures#.NsACqTxb5 Id hazard a guess and say 8% of a mind boggling fortune plays a huge part in it Steve probably along with what you've stated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Id hazard a guess and say 8% of a mind boggling fortune plays a huge part in it Steve probably along with what you've stated I'm sure you're right. As always: follow the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 So who killed the Russian? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) They aren't the only country in the world to have bans on immigrants and the USA did it to an extent under Obama with Iraqis refugees for 6 months (I think it was Iraqis anyway). It's not something I think they should be doing but it's one of the reasons they were voted into power and to that extent he is expressing the will of his people. iirc, the Obama ban was only for new visa's. This ban goes way way way further. Trump has banned people who have been living legally in the USA for years to return home from a vacation abroad. Trump has banned everyone with dual citizenship, if one those citizenships is one of the 7 banned countries. There is a Tory MP (prominent Leaver) who happened to be born in Somalia but has been living in the UK for decades now, who finds himself now banned from the USA. EDIT: just read that boris the diplomat has agreement with US that uk nationals can go to usa, regardless of place of birth. Also Obama only targeted one country. Trump 7, and all of them muslim. In essence it is some sort of Muslim ban. (especially if viewed in light of his statements that after the ban is over, he'll be looking to bring in primarily christian refugees). When he made the comments about banning muslims during the campaign, the public outrage was so immense he had to tone down his rhetoric. Now it turns out puppet-master Bannon has made him do it anyway. So I don't really see it as fulfulling a campaign promise. (same thing with the wall, btw. A lot of people (Trumpers) thought it was just a metaphor for stronger border security.. now he goes ahead with actually building a 40 billion dollar wall ). - Anyway, it's the first time in modern history that the president of the USA cannot be regarded as the leader of the free world and protector of liberal democracy. That honor now falls to a German lady who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, who would have thought... Edited January 30, 2017 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 IMO - The Executive order is just a time-out, so he can get a bill drawn up and passed after the 120 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 iirc, the Obama ban was only for new visa's. This ban goes way way way further. Trump has banned people who have been living legally in the USA for years to return home from a vacation abroad. Trump has banned everyone with dual citizenship, if one those citizenships is one of the 7 banned countries. There is a Tory MP (prominent Leaver) who happened to be born in Somalia but has been living in the UK for decades now, who finds himself now banned from the USA. EDIT: just read that boris the diplomat has agreement with US that uk nationals can go to usa, regardless of place of birth. Also Obama only targeted one country. Trump 7, and all of them muslim. In essence it is some sort of Muslim ban. (especially if viewed in light of his statements that after the ban is over, he'll be looking to bring in primarily christian refugees). When he made the comments about banning muslims during the campaign, the public outrage was so immense he had to tone down his rhetoric. Now it turns out puppet-master Bannon has made him do it anyway. So I don't really see it as fulfulling a campaign promise. (same thing with the wall, btw. A lot of people (Trumpers) thought it was just a metaphor for stronger border security.. now he goes ahead with actually building a 40 billion dollar wall ). - Anyway, it's the first time in modern history that the president of the USA cannot be regarded as the leader of the free world and protector of liberal democracy. That honor now falls to a German lady who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, who would have thought... The term 'liberal democracy' is an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 This ban goes way way way further. Trump has banned people who have been living legally in the USA for years to return home from a vacation abroad. Trump has banned everyone with dual citizenship, if one those citizenships is one of the 7 banned countries. There is a Tory MP (prominent Leaver) who happened to be born in Somalia but has been living in the UK for decades now, who finds himself now banned from the USA. EDIT: just read that boris the diplomat has agreement with US that uk nationals can go to usa, regardless of place of birth. no, wait, still banned... https://uk.usembassy.gov/executive-order-protecting-nation-terrorist-attacks-foreign-nationals/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/trump_muslim_ban_letter_sgnr_rb/?bcwFHab&v=87468&cl=11750171395&_checksum=ac32a9d8164dc637c6821b1d6185fd727f4860fda4e4f04ff0342883eceec44f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) I'm signing everything at the minute. I'm sure i'll take delivery of some right weird shit after all this. Edit: The guy scares me. From a world relations perspective, I just fear he's using other people's fear to serve himself and not even remotely care for the effects his actions will bring. Most dictators at least kept their problems 'local'. He is creating hate and despise in a world that was just finding its feet again. Terrifying. Edited January 30, 2017 by Lowensda nutmegwolf203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) People are protesting in cities around the country, petitions are flying, thankfully even some republicans (mccain, graham, others) have condemned him. Edited January 30, 2017 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Something has to give. I don't know how this man will make it the full four years. Executive orders aren't exactly bulletproof, and I'm hoping most, if not all, of his orders are struck down at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Something has to give. I don't know how this man will make it the full four years. Executive orders aren't exactly bulletproof, and I'm hoping most, if not all, of his orders are struck down at some point. yep. also I heard some interesting things one of which is that he can't keep this blistering pace for the whole time. he'll burn out or piss off the repubs in congress because they'll be putting out his fires instead of getting anything done. also he's going to be giving a bad name to the party and that will be used in the mid term elections in less than 2 years time against them. mid terms will be massive now. I hope people come out of the worldwork to put some dems back in the senate and congress and give dems control there to balance trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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