Cornish Steve Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 The day when evil almost triumphed.https://www.nbcnews.com/video/house-impeachment-managers-play-video-of-capitol-riot-during-impeachment-trial-100757061701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/republicans-have-betrayed-american-democracy-and-boosted-the-worlds-dictators Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, MikeO said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/republicans-have-betrayed-american-democracy-and-boosted-the-worlds-dictators Utterly infuriating that politicians are more interested in their job and team than actually doing their job. It’s disgusting and, even though I’m a liberal who thinks The Guardian shouldn’t be taken seriously, they’re spot on with that. It’s not hyperbole this time, republicans have said “there’s no consequences to dangerous actions if you’ve got money and power”. Bravo to the 6 that actually voted with a conscious Romey 1878, MikeO and Formby 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: Utterly infuriating that politicians are more interested in their job and team than actually doing their job. It’s disgusting and, even though I’m a liberal who thinks The Guardian shouldn’t be taken seriously, they’re spot on with that. It’s not hyperbole this time, republicans have said “there’s no consequences to dangerous actions if you’ve got money and power”. Bravo to the 6 that actually voted with a conscious A major problem here, there and everywhere. I wonder how many of the seven will be re-elected to the Republican party? Not many, I bet. A conscience is a rare commodity in politics. Romey 1878, MikeO, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Throwing this in here since Ted Cruz has become Trump's lackey, even after Trump labeled him Lyin' Ted. Now he's Flyin Ted. I swear, the more details that emerge regarding this absolute shit-show of a PR nightmare, the more it sounds like an episode of Veep. Fuck this guy, and his entire party. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/us/politics/ted-cruz-storm-cancun.html markjazzbassist, MikeO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 i'm not surprised one bit by this. ted cruz and most other republicans are beholden to themselves (first and always first) and their financial backers (second) and that's it. they feign interest in their constituents but their actions are always opposite to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 https://djtrumplibrary.com/ This is amazing. And so thorough! They even have a menu for the restaurant attached to the library! MikeO, Romey 1878, Sibdane and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 alt right auditorium, lol dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56903805 Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 On 28/04/2021 at 11:18, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56903805 I want to comment on this but it feels as if it's in the wrong thread...can't we be done with Drumpf once and for all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: I want to comment on this but it feels as if it's in the wrong thread...can't we be done with Drumpf once and for all? I've changed the thread title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, MikeO said: I've changed the thread title. But then what happens with the Biden in charge thread?? MIKE I'M LOST AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: But then what happens with the Biden in charge thread?? MIKE I'M LOST AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO I forgot there was a Biden in Charge thread, I'll merge the two then we can all be zen again. Sort of. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Putin is about to eat another American president, just like the last 4 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 I keep reading things about Putin being the richest man in the world at an estimated $200 billion. Would not surprise me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 This is a bit bad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58020494 But on the same subject; the west went into Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, and now the Taliban are resurgent we're all pulling out? What exactly was the point of the last twenty years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 14 hours ago, MikeO said: This is a bit bad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58020494 But on the same subject; the west went into Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, and now the Taliban are resurgent we're all pulling out? What exactly was the point of the last twenty years? Yeah I’ve been reading articles all week about all the interpreters we left behind. What we did like was waste trillions of tax payer dollars to do nothing. We could have ended poverty and improved education, no we give overinflated contracts to defense firms and go to war. America. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Yeah I’ve been reading articles all week about all the interpreters we left behind. What we did like was waste trillions of tax payer dollars to do nothing. We could have ended poverty and improved education, no we give overinflated contracts to defense firms and go to war. America. Very difficult one this we were never going to completely eradicate the Taliban, and were always going to look to withdraw at some time. I just feel to walk away after 20 years with no hope of peace has been a costly error, we should have been looking at brokering a deal the last 10 years or so were the Afghan government and the Taliban agreed on a power share of some form, and until that deal was agreed we stayed on in full, otherwise we have achieved nothing but misery for them and ourselves. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 No one will ever win in Afghanistan. At the end of WW-I, my grandfather was shipped from the trenches of France to fight in the Afghan wars. I remember when everyone worried about Russian troops invading, but they were overcome by the Taliban. Sadly for its people, it's a no-win situation for the large powers. While the US should do the right thing and evacuate those who helped them, I see no point is pouring even more billions into nation-building. The people who are going to lose out the most, though, will be the country's women and girls. Sibdane, Matt and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 It is a tough one this as I don't think there would ever be a good time to withdraw. You could be there for 100 years and there would be no guarantee of a stable government. It will just descend in to chaos again, and no doubt result in even more resentment for the West for leaving high and dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 It's just an all-around fucked situation. They didn't want us there in the first place, so I'm not sure ($$$) why we were expecting some sort of revolution or paradigm shift. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 Money funding violence will never change beliefs and hatred. Money funding education will. dunlopp9987 and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: No one will ever win in Afghanistan. At the end of WW-I, my grandfather was shipped from the trenches of France to fight in the Afghan wars. I remember when everyone worried about Russian troops invading, but they were overcome by the Taliban. Sadly for its people, it's a no-win situation for the large powers. While the US should do the right thing and evacuate those who helped them, I see no point is pouring even more billions into nation-building. The people who are going to lose out the most, though, will be the country's women and girls. I think a lot of people could have told them they should have left well alone, but this was an a American war to defend the shores of America, who had decided to invade because they were a breeding ground for terrorist which posed a real threat to the USA. Unlike Kuwait and Iraqi which was purely for the Oil reserves which made the Americans a huge profit after the costs of their expenditure to run the Gulf campaign. But going back to Afghanistan for the Americans to pull out the way they are whilst the Taliban are fighting at the gates of the town and cities that have already cost so many lives to Allied forces and residents is abhorrent in my opinion, they have created a shit fest of a unimaginable scale to leave the woman and children of Afghanistan to live with, thousands will be slaughtered because of their very small involvement with Americans, 25% of MP in government are women they will be killed for sure and possibly their families, this is another resounding success for America when it comes to world order. Good morning Vietnam. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Palfy said: I think a lot of people could have told them they should have left well alone, but this was an a American war to defend the shores of America, who had decided to invade because they were a breeding ground for terrorist which posed a real threat to the USA. Unlike Kuwait and Iraqi which was purely for the Oil reserves which made the Americans a huge profit after the costs of their expenditure to run the Gulf campaign. But going back to Afghanistan for the Americans to pull out the way they are whilst the Taliban are fighting at the gates of the town and cities that have already cost so many lives to Allied forces and residents is abhorrent in my opinion, they have created a shit fest of a unimaginable scale to leave the woman and children of Afghanistan to live with, thousands will be slaughtered because of their very small involvement with Americans, 25% of MP in government are women they will be killed for sure and possibly their families, this is another resounding success for America when it comes to world order. Good morning Vietnam. Defend America's shores? If that were the case, the target would have been Saudi Arabia. isn't that from where the more prominent terrorists emanate and/or or funded? I agree with you regarding the plight of the Afghan population, but why aren't other nations or the UN stepping in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Defend America's shores? If that were the case, the target would have been Saudi Arabia. isn't that from where the more prominent terrorists emanate and/or or funded? I agree with you regarding the plight of the Afghan population, but why aren't other nations or the UN stepping in? To reduce the chances of being a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 17 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Defend America's shores? If that were the case, the target would have been Saudi Arabia. isn't that from where the more prominent terrorists emanate and/or or funded? The American government at the time believed rightly or wrongly that Afghanistan was being used as a major training ground for terrorist organisations in particular Al Queeda, since 9/11 the Americans engaged on their own war on terror helped in the main by the British, and the backing of the UN but not on all policies, what the UN didn’t sanction the Americans still carried out such was the feeling inAmerica after 9/11. Now they and their Allies must be seen to be doing the right thing when it comes to their withdrawal, I’m pretty shocked at Biden for not intervening more on what will be a bloody aftermath for some Afghanistan’s and their families, I just expected more from Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Palfy said: The American government at the time believed rightly or wrongly that Afghanistan was being used as a major training ground for terrorist organisations in particular Al Queeda, since 9/11 the Americans engaged on their own war on terror helped in the main by the British, and the backing of the UN but not on all policies, what the UN didn’t sanction the Americans still carried out such was the feeling inAmerica after 9/11. Now they and their Allies must be seen to be doing the right thing when it comes to their withdrawal, I’m pretty shocked at Biden for not intervening more on what will be a bloody aftermath for some Afghanistan’s and their families, I just expected more from Biden. It's easy to expect more of others, though. Why isn't Britain intervening? or France? or Germany? or the EU? or the League of Arab States? or the UN? or anybody? Is the US expected to continue ad infinitum pouring money and lives into nation-building? The outcome is certain to be nasty, but who's willing to step up and spend what the US has been spending for many years? markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: It's easy to expect more of others, though. Why isn't Britain intervening? or France? or Germany? or the EU? or the League of Arab States? or the UN? or anybody? Is the US expected to continue ad infinitum pouring money and lives into nation-building? The outcome is certain to be nasty, but who's willing to step up and spend what the US has been spending for many years? UK did and does, pretty sure that's true of Nato in general. I've not checked for a while though. None of the European countries (combined even!) have the economy to sustain it. Also don't have an economy largely driven by arms but that's another discussion entirely. I do think the Arab States should do more though. US does carry more than its fair share but it also puts itself there. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: It's easy to expect more of others, though. Why isn't Britain intervening? or France? or Germany? or the EU? or the League of Arab States? or the UN? or anybody? Is the US expected to continue ad infinitum pouring money and lives into nation-building? The outcome is certain to be nasty, but who's willing to step up and spend what the US has been spending for many years? If you read my post properly you will see that I mentioned that the Brits had a part to play in this as one of the American allies who once again followed America in it’s policy against terrorism, but without doubt the Americans should be investing what ever it takes to secure Afghanistan families left to be slaughtered for aiding the Americans and it’s allies in this American policy to invade their country. So why shouldn’t they be responsible for the the most cost when it was there call to invade and they have a big enough budget to cover their own problems they created, unless of course you don’t see it as a problem that thousands will be slaughtered for helping the Americans in the Americans war on terrorism, they didn’t right it down in history as the American Afghanistan war because it was the Brits French German Canadian or anyone else’s idea to invade Afghanistan, it was the Americans in the storm of 9/11 to smash Al Qaeda and kill Bin Laden because they violated the American mainland, not a problem with that but when you’re done do the decent thing and clean your shit up don’t hang people out to die because you have no further use of them, learn from what happened to civilians in Vietnam that where left to be slaughtered as calibrators in their thousands, they shouldn’t be letting history potential repeat it’s self or should they Steve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Who would have thought that Biden would turnout to be just as big a fool than Trump, for political bullshit he chose 9/11 as the date to completely withdraw from Afghanistan like it was some sort of symbolic game and would make him look good in the annuals of history, Truly fucked up by doing that with no plan in place, now the Americans are re-enacting Saigon 1975 running for their lives and leaving thousands who helped them to be slaughtered, Biden needs to be put in a care home to live out his last few years, at least Trump had the foresight to say they would negotiate a deal with the Taliban before they left. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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