Sean Dyche

[Hafnia]

Ndiye fuming at getting subbed - dyche didn't even look at him. Ndiye clearly not happy at all. 
 

Dyche knows that Everton fans are unhappy at the way he subs off pace players - he took lindstrom and ndiye off...... sorry he's flexing his strength.

how many games is he doing this in now? This team is actually capable of doing some damage with pace out wide. He removes that threat and gives opponents the advantage 

[Romey 1878]

I always say if I don't agree with a decision, but can understand it, then I'm all good. So taking Lindstrom off when he did makes sense for me because he was looking leggy and he hasn't had much football in the past year or so. The problem was that the option to bring on was Jack Harrison and he's crap. Offers nothing really.

Going forward, Lindstrom has to be first choice even if he frustrates at times. He's got so much more to him and he's a threat.

The one I didn't understand was Ndiaye for Iroegbunam. It showed that Dyche hadn't learned from the Bournemouth debacle. It wasn't that Tim came on that was the issue, it was who he came on for and that it necessitated disrupting the team a lot. We moved McNeil to the left, like against Bournemouth, where his tiredness could hurt us. It meant we also moved Doucoure from his midfield role where, even though I don't like him playing there, he'd been having a great game. And we also lost Ndiaye's ability to get us out and his off the cuffness that can make things happen.

Tim should have come on for McNeil and then you can either pack the midfield and be really compact or you send him out there with the instruction to chase after everything, and get forward when he could, while the rest stay disciplined.

[StevO]

On 21/09/2024 at 09:47, Hafnia said:

We have 18 full international capped players in our squad....... Newcastle have 15.

lets not get all "our players are championship level" nonsense.  

The average number of international players in the championship teams is 4.

some world class guff that's spouted on here.  

do we need better players??? Undoubtedly -  are the players we currently have so poor that relegation is unavoidable?  Absolutely not. 
 

Stop trying to excuse a manager who specialises in excuses. 

Half of this team wouldn’t have got a game for us five years ago. This squad is shite, that’s not making excuses for the manager, that’s watching the players be shit with my two eyes and deciding they aren’t very good. Nothing to do with the manager. 
 

Out of curiosity, who are the 18 internationals? Not that I take international football as any judge of standard anymore. 

[Sev]

36 minutes ago, StevO said:

Half of this team wouldn’t have got a game for us five years ago. This squad is shite, that’s not making excuses for the manager, that’s watching the players be shit with my two eyes and deciding they aren’t very good. Nothing to do with the manager. 
 

Out of curiosity, who are the 18 internationals? Not that I take international football as any judge of standard anymore. 

I think it's 17, but the point is made by Haf.

With the right inputs/tactics etc we should, as I see it, be able to be in the 9-12 place bracket. But we are not and there are clear reasons for that.

[StevO]

I’m pretty sure two of those will be Young and Keane. That’s all I need to know about our international players. 

[Shukes]

Patterson is another. 
O’Brien is another. 
I think 9th is stretching a bit far. 12th yes, but 9th is dreaming with this squad and wholly unrealistic. 

[Matt]

Myko, Coleman, Gana, McNeil, Dom, JOB...

[StevO]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Myko, Coleman, Gana, McNeil, Dom, JOB...

McNeil? Played for England? 

[Matt]

20 minutes ago, StevO said:

McNeil? Played for England? 

No, for some reason I thought he was Australian

[Hafnia]

4 hours ago, StevO said:

Half of this team wouldn’t have got a game for us five years ago. This squad is shite, that’s not making excuses for the manager, that’s watching the players be shit with my two eyes and deciding they aren’t very good. Nothing to do with the manager. 
 

Out of curiosity, who are the 18 internationals? Not that I take international football as any judge of standard anymore. 

So let's get things in order.... the debate wasn't "the team was as good as the team 5 years ago"

the debate was that all bar 3 players are championship level.  Which is nonsense.  The average championship side has 4 international capped players...

Pickford, myko, tarks, branthwaite, Keane, dcl, job, mangala, ndiaye, Patterson, lindstrom, doucs, dcl, young, Begovic, Broja, Coleman, dele. 

People can spout all they want about championship level players - it's nonsense. Invariably championship level players aren't good enough for international football on the whole. Less than 20% of a clubs squad has an international cap in the championship.

this team is capable of playing football.... anyone making excuses that somehow "Dyche is working wonders on his £100k a week by giving them gaffer day and having them look unfit - long ball hoof merchants who can't defend set pieces".....  give me a break.   The man belongs in a museum with that prehistoric phlegm that he's been trying to cough up for the past 3 years. 

[Hafnia]

3 hours ago, Sev said:

I think it's 17, but the point is made by Haf.

With the right inputs/tactics etc we should, as I see it, be able to be in the 9-12 place bracket. But we are not and there are clear reasons for that.

18 with dele but I'm not arsed..... people will quibble on the basis that they feel some sort of loyalty to a manager who shows no sign of evolving his methods.   He needed to kick on - instead he's reverted to being a worse tactician than last year. 

[Romey 1878]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

No, for some reason I thought he was Australian

I have no words. 

[StevO]

13 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Pickford, myko, tarks, branthwaite, Keane, dcl, job, mangala, ndiaye, Patterson, lindstrom, doucs, dcl, young, Begovic, Broja, Coleman, dele. 

 

Thats a sorry state of affairs.

[StevO]

13 hours ago, Hafnia said:

18 with dele but I'm not arsed..... people will quibble on the basis that they feel some sort of loyalty to a manager who shows no sign of evolving his methods.   He needed to kick on - instead he's reverted to being a worse tactician than last year. 

I've missed all the loyalty to the manager posts.

I just think we have a proper shite squad.

[Sev]

13 hours ago, Hafnia said:

18 with dele but I'm not arsed..... people will quibble on the basis that they feel some sort of loyalty to a manager who shows no sign of evolving his methods.   He needed to kick on - instead he's reverted to being a worse tactician than last year. 

Technically Dele is not an Everton FC player, but all right, I'm not arsed either.

And as I have stated several times; I don't think Dyche can get anymore out of the squad as it is. Dyche's limitations are unfortunately showing that.

[Hafnia]

6 minutes ago, StevO said:

I've missed all the loyalty to the manager posts.

I just think we have a proper shite squad.

It's not a squad that makes you think we can win things...... it is not a squad that makes you think its worth celebrating avoid relegation either. 
 

somehow some people seem to believe that we are somehow one of the 5 worst squads and that playing like 1987 Cambridge United is a needs must 

[Hafnia]

3 minutes ago, Sev said:

Technically Dele is not an Everton FC player, but all right, I'm not arsed either.

And as I have stated several times; I don't think Dyche can get anymore out of the squad as it is. Dyche's limitations are unfortunately showing that.

The fact that Dyche believes that taking off our pace attack players is somehow acceptable when trying to defend a lead - shows you what he is all about. 
 

Leicester are a poor side - absolutely garbage and yet they smelt blood cos he had us take off our counter attack threats and sit back.  It's just awful. 

[StevO]

2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

It's not a squad that makes you think we can win things...... it is not a squad that makes you think its worth celebrating avoid relegation either. 
 

somehow some people seem to believe that we are somehow one of the 5 worst squads and that playing like 1987 Cambridge United is a needs must 

No one thinks playing like that is a must. But many people think this is a squad that is very poor.

I think this is a squad that can and will avoid relegation, but I think its a squad that is garbage apart from a handful of players.

We have a great keeper, some very good centre halfs, a few midfielders with some potential, and a decent striker. 

We still need two full backs, at least, more pace, probably another midfielder, a winger, another centre half, and probably a striker, before we even start to resemble a decent side.

[Sev]

3 minutes ago, StevO said:

No one thinks playing like that is a must. But many people think this is a squad that is very poor.

I think this is a squad that can and will avoid relegation, but I think its a squad that is garbage apart from a handful of players.

We have a great keeper, some very good centre halfs, a few midfielders with some potential, and a decent striker. 

We still need two full backs, at least, more pace, probably another midfielder, a winger, another centre half, and probably a striker, before we even start to resemble a decent side.

What you are saying is that half (or more) of the team is garbage and that we only have midfielders with potential, or?

If, then I say bollocks. With better management this squad could be in the 9-12 place bracket.

And yes, of course we need to strengthen certain positions; building and maintaining a team is an endless job.

[Hafnia]

Dyches credit in the bank is the only thing that seems to give some people the belief that this side is as bad as he seems to make us believe. 

can someone please tell me why the players do not look fit?  Personally I think the coaching, tactics, preparation is shambolic. 

[RuffRob]

9 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Dyches credit in the bank is the only thing that seems to give some people the belief that this side is as bad as he seems to make us believe. 

can someone please tell me why the players do not look fit?  Personally I think the coaching, tactics, preparation is shambolic. 

I am also a little concern why players don't seem to be fit enough to see out 95 mins of football. We seem to be OK for the first hour or so of a game - then massivley run out of steam in the final third/quarter. 

We didn't have loads of players coming back late from the Euros (bar Pickford) so the vast majority of this squad should argubley have a robust pre-season behind them. 

When 'Gaffer's day' becomes synonamous with your pre season routine, as a measure of fitness - then being off the pace at the end of your opening games is not a great look. Particulaly when this becomes a trend of two seasons in a row when we have dropped lots of points in the first 4-5 games. Don't know the ins and outs of Burnley, but read/heard that they generally didn't get great starts to seasons either.  To me it means review, develop and change you pre-season routine as its appears not to be yeilding the best results possible.

[Matt Tiger]

We've banked money on transfers over a five year period. If our squad isn't absolute shite then Thelwell has earned the right to be here for another contract.

Also, I don't think Dyche is the guy for us long term either. I'm not really a Dyche fan, but we finished 12th last year, I thought he did a perfectly fine job when you look at the full season, and I think letting him finish this year out is a better option than sacking him prior to a sale.

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Matt Tiger said:

We've banked money on transfers over a five year period. If our squad isn't absolute shite then Thelwell has earned the right to be here for another contract.

Also, I don't think Dyche is the guy for us long term either. I'm not really a Dyche fan, but we finished 12th last year, I thought he did a perfectly fine job when you look at the full season, and I think letting him finish this year out is a better option than sacking him prior to a sale.

He's toast with any luck. 

Friedkin can get moshiri to act on his behalf and install someone he wants. 

[RuffRob]

He won't be manager at the beginning of next season, as a new broom will inevitably want to sweep clean. However, not sure when the axe will fall on Dyche.

I think there are going to be lot of personnel changes behind the scene, a board needs to be formed, and I think Thelwell's position will (and should) be be under the microscope before Dyche's. I feel this is going to be Friedkin's groups biggest call as long term this is a more important position to get right. Thelwell reign is actually quite difficult to judge becasue he has done the job under very difficult circumstances - he has had to be very creative with deals given our cashflow issues. It would be very interesting to see to close the club came to deals he's maybe miss out on becasue of current finances - Diaz, Nunes, Kudus, Mintah etc. What would our squad look like if he had a extra  £20M -£30m to have played with each window rather than having to broker buy now pay later deals? 

What we don't want to do is rush to change the manager, to them spend the time putting the board and possibly a new DoF in place, only for them to possibly want to change manager. If we want a good manager, he will inevitably be signing a good contract. The new people running the club will need to do due diligence on a new management appointment, so bit of time needed on this. Many say Thelwell should have a list of managers ready - but Thelwell need to secure is post first.  

It a way, it's almost better to now leave Dyche in place until his contract comes to its natural end and give adequate time for the board elect to get the house in order behind closed doors, this includes moving in to new home. No problem in having a manager elect in the wings at the backend of the season. 

You also never know what managers might come available between now and May. It's slightly different if we have to move quick to get an available manager if the board etc ear mark somebody. 

What Dyche has managed to do is show that he's not going to develop or change enough to be our manager beyond his current Contract. 

A new owner bounce (and average management) will hopefully be more than enough to get us in to mid table this season and give the club a springboard in to an exciting new chapter new season. 

[Matt]

15 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

He won't be manager at the beginning of next season, as a new broom will inevitably want to sweep clean. However, not sure when the axe will fall on Dyche.

I think there are going to be lot of personnel changes behind the scene, a board needs to be formed, and I think Thelwell's position will (and should) be be under the microscope before Dyche's. I feel this is going to be Friedkin's groups biggest call as long term this is a more important position to get right. Thelwell reign is actually quite difficult to judge becasue he has done the job under very difficult circumstances - he has had to be very creative with deals given our cashflow issues. It would be very interesting to see to close the club came to deals he's maybe miss out on becasue of current finances - Diaz, Nunes, Kudus, Mintah etc. What would our squad look like if he had a extra  £20M -£30m to have played with each window rather than having to broker buy now pay later deals? 

What we don't want to do is rush to change the manager, to them spend the time putting the board and possibly a new DoF in place, only for them to possibly want to change manager. If we want a good manager, he will inevitably be signing a good contract. The new people running the club will need to do due diligence on a new management appointment, so bit of time needed on this. Many say Thelwell should have a list of managers ready - but Thelwell need to secure is post first.  

It a way, it's almost better to now leave Dyche in place until his contract comes to its natural end and give adequate time for the board elect to get the house in order behind closed doors, this includes moving in to new home. No problem in having a manager elect in the wings at the backend of the season. 

You also never know what managers might come available between now and May. It's slightly different if we have to move quick to get an available manager if the board etc ear mark somebody. 

What Dyche has managed to do is show that he's not going to develop or change enough to be our manager beyond his current Contract. 

A new owner bounce (and average management) will hopefully be more than enough to get us in to mid table this season and give the club a springboard in to an exciting new chapter new season. 

He won't be manager before Christmas 

[StevO]

5 hours ago, Sev said:

What you are saying is that half (or more) of the team is garbage and that we only have midfielders with potential, or?

If, then I say bollocks. With better management this squad could be in the 9-12 place bracket.

And yes, of course we need to strengthen certain positions; building and maintaining a team is an endless job.

I think a team of much better players than this still struggled to get in the top half. 
We have some potential dotted around the squad, but I’d say at least half this team isnt good enough and they have proved that over the last few years. 

[Sev]

5 minutes ago, StevO said:

I think a team of much better players than this still struggled to get in the top half. 
We have some potential dotted around the squad, but I’d say at least half this team isnt good enough and they have proved that over the last few years. 

... and I still think it's more down to the managment of players on and off the pitch and in training. Of course, there will always be margin players that only get a few games to show their worth, but all clubs have those.

[RuffRob]

There has been layers of problems and issues at the, and management of the playing staff just being one of them. 

Today it sounds like the massive monkey of Moshiri being the owner has been all but lifted off the club with new owners well and on the way. It would appear deals have been signed at it is hopefully now only a formality for it to be ratified by the powers than be. I don't beleive there would have been any sort of announcment today, unless this is pretty much a done deal.

It feels like a big weight has been lifted. I am hoping that this excellent news can only but have a positive impact to all at the club. It will be interesting to see how this translate to performances on the pitch - everybody now has new owners to impress. 

[StevO]

2 hours ago, Sev said:

... and I still think it's more down to the managment of players on and off the pitch and in training. Of course, there will always be margin players that only get a few games to show their worth, but all clubs have those.

Like arseholes, we all have opinions and most of them stink. 
Id like to blame the manager, it’s one man and it’s much easier to focus on one. But too many of them have been poor for Dyche, poor for Frank, poor for Benitez. 
As much as I think we need a new manager, I also believe a lot of these players aren’t good enough. Because regardless of who’s in charge they have not won enough football matches. 

[Btay]

6 hours ago, StevO said:

I think a team of much better players than this still struggled to get in the top half. 
We have some potential dotted around the squad, but I’d say at least half this team isnt good enough and they have proved that over the last few years. 

Exactly, we use to have a squad of solid players with maybe 3/4 that could go in to a top 4 team. Now we have a squad of average players with 3/4 that should be in the championship.