StevO Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 18 hours ago, Bailey said: Give him a chance, he had about 20 minutes before he was moved wide. He was arguably the best player on the pitch at that point. Jesus. If he was the best player on the pitch we have bigger problems than I thought. markjazzbassist and Wiggytop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 I was really hoping Iwobi would have kicked on this season. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last season, with it being a late move and all the COVID disruption. However, it just seems to me that he just doesn't have 'it' - Doesn't really go at defenders and give them much to worry about, his crosses and final delivery are generally poor (must be quite frustrating for other attacking players in the box) and doesn't have an sort of eye for goal. I don't think any opposition defences really overly worry about him as an attacking threat. I know he has not had a great deal of help on the right hand side of the pitch in an attacking sense, but I don't think that would improve his overall quality in these areas I have mentioned with a bit more help in that area of the pitch. Our problem this season has been lack of creativity and domination of teams when we look to play offensively. We are not stretching teams. If you look at our offensive players who have had decent playing time - DCL, Richy, Gylfi, James and Iwobi (will not include King or Bernard as not played many minutes). The first 4 have a fairly decent amount of goals and assists (always room for improvement), but Iwobi's number are just a little bit on the low side - a couple more goals or assists could have made a big different this season. 3-4 points maybe!! When Iwobi has the ball in the final third of the pitch - it doesn't generally have you on the edge of your seats. If he is on the bench - you don't think 'get Iwobi on - he might do something to unlock this game'. He is definitely not turning out to be the player we (or Brands) probably hoped he would be. However, generally Brands transfers have been good, and you are always going to get the odd few that don't works out, I think Iwobi is just going to be one of them. I don't dislike the lad, and was hoping he would do well with us and maybe be the next 'Zaha' type of player - but is just not happened, and with each game I see him, I don't think its going to happen either. If we got a half decent enough offer let him go. I think Iwobi needs to be playing week in week out in order to get the best out of him, but I don't think he is good enough to play week in week out for a team that has European aspirations. Mid table team player at best. I think a right sides attaching player will very much be on Ancelotti's wish list come the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Let's put it this way .... For a player to petulantly post bullshit on their Instagram in relation to their favoured position - which was piss poor btw. I would expect to see a marked improvement in their performance and effort as a result of the manager giving them their wish. I didn't see anything that justified his pathetic Instagram. I've been supportive of iwobi but I think it appears he is part of the weak minded nonsense that sees us play so inconsistently. I wouldn't be arsed to see him be sold. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 again i would rather see a young player out there struggling but giving their all than alex iwobi on big wages and big fee doing nothing. anthony gordon, or someone else, at least they will run and defend, and fight for the badge. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, StevO said: Jesus. If he was the best player on the pitch we have bigger problems than I thought. We do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 He’s the most frustrating player for me. Clearly has the technical ability but for whatever reasons things just don’t work for him. Was so excited when we got him because he should be so much better than he actually is. Won’t be sad to see him go in the summer London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 15, 2021 Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 I've already posted this before, he was OK for 20 minutes in the middle so why he went wide I don't know because he played shit after that. We need a bloody good right winger and Holgate has been shite as a right back. London Blue, RuffRob, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 17:31, Bailey said: Give him a chance, he had about 20 minutes before he was moved wide. He was arguably the best player on the pitch at that point. My biggest issue with him is end product. Some people quote dribble statistics or the fancy bit of play by the corner flag but I concentrate on the numerous great chances he’s had to cross and they’ve been woeful. He’s energetic around the opposition box and can see a pass but the execution is normally poor. When he does get it to the player it’s often fired in to them at a speed making it almost impossible to control. At the moment I’m just not seeing a player of that value and quality to our side. Love to be proved wrong but suspect I’ll be right. Bailey, Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Iwobi and bernard simply do not provide enough goals or assist. Can only compare then as a type of player to Pienarr but his ability to “pre assist” you could say far out weighs both theirs. I love the sentiment of this club and everything we stand for but we need to be ruthless and move a few more on. As mentioned before - our stars need to become the average quality of the squad if we want to compete with Champions league. Shukes and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Before his purple patch Richarlison had 2 goals and 5 assists (3 in one match v wba). Sigurdsson has 4 goals (2 pens) and 4 assists (at least one of them was from a set pieces). Digne, James, and DCL are the only ones who have performed well offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, barryj said: My biggest issue with him is end product. I have issues with his opening and middle product as well. duncanmckenzieismagic, Romey 1878, barryj and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, MikeO said: I have issues with his opening and middle product as well. Unless that’s the pre match routine and then sitting on the bench? MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 StevO, Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Absolutely pathetic some fans. 20% is perfectly fine*. Manipulative to use Holgate as the comparison. Worst thing is the so called fan looking up that stat would have seen Richarlison's 6% (which is genuinely concerning), but they're not actually arsed about the stat they just want something to kick Iwobi with as he's the new whipping boy. Let's bully him out the club eh. *the league average is as low as 18.9%. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.transfermarkt.co.uk/best-cross-accuracy-only-three-premier-league-players-in-top-20-davies-13th/amp/news/359039 Bailey, Palfy, Zoo 2.0 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, pete0 said: Absolutely pathetic some fans. 20% is perfectly fine*. Manipulative to use Holgate as the comparison. Worst thing is the so called fan looking up that stat would have seen Richarlison's 6% (which is genuinely concerning), but they're not actually arsed about the stat they just want something to kick Iwobi with as he's the new whipping boy. Let's bully him out the club eh. *the league average is as low as 18.9%. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.transfermarkt.co.uk/best-cross-accuracy-only-three-premier-league-players-in-top-20-davies-13th/amp/news/359039 That puts it a bit more into perspective. Not that I’m trying to defend his poor crossing in the Burnley game 0/5 is not good enough, but some of the crosses from Digne who is famed for his crossing abilities were equally as bad, nothing mentioned so it would seem the new Walcott has been found in Iwobi, well they did both come from Arsenal so that must be it. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 His crossing is poor and statistics can be used to try and prove all sorts of arguments. Completion usually means that it makes contact with an Everton player following a cross and that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a good cross. Also what is their definition of a cross? It feels to me that when he passes a ball into the box along the floor he’s much more accurate than when he crosses aerially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 Perspective is: Digne’s crossing while bad, was still crossing. Richarlisons crossing is nonexistent as he is generally trying to get into the box, not crossing. League average includes centre half’s, centre forwards, central midfielders ect. Iwobi didn’t even attempt a cross, even when having ample opportunity to do so. StevO, Matt and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted March 18, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 I don’t need stats to know that Iwobi doesn’t contribute enough to our attacking threat. I’ve got my own two eyes to tell me he is poor, that he can’t get a decent cross into the box, that he isn’t a number ten, that we have other players who should play before him and that he needs to be upgraded on. Keep your stats. Iwobi just isn’t good enough. MikeO, Romey 1878, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted March 18, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Stats only tell part of the story. Great crosses can be met by an opposing defender and crap crosses can be met by our player.... You know the ones that nearly go out for a throw after missing everyone in the 6 yard box who isn't 8ft tall. Iwobi doesn't have great end product. That much is clear Wiggytop, Matt, StevO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, StevO said: I don’t need stats to know that Iwobi doesn’t contribute enough to our attacking threat. I’ve got my own two eyes to tell me he is poor, that he can’t get a decent cross into the box, that he isn’t a number ten, that we have other players who should play before him and that he needs to be upgraded on. Keep your stats. Iwobi just isn’t good enough. I wish I could give you 100 upvotes for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I wish I could give you 100 upvotes for this. Feel free to find 99 other posts markjazzbassist, Bailey, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 07:51, barryj said: My biggest issue with him is end product. Some people quote dribble statistics or the fancy bit of play by the corner flag but I concentrate on the numerous great chances he’s had to cross and they’ve been woeful. He’s energetic around the opposition box and can see a pass but the execution is normally poor. When he does get it to the player it’s often fired in to them at a speed making it almost impossible to control. At the moment I’m just not seeing a player of that value and quality to our side. Love to be proved wrong but suspect I’ll be right. I do agree about your comments in general. He isn't bringing enough to the table but very few have from an attacking perspective. He showed at Arsenal that he does have all of that in his locker when given the platform to play. Unfortunately he hasn't improved since he played for them and in fact, he has got worse. I can see why the scouts went after him because he does have a lot of good qualities but he is really struggling to show them at the moment. One thing for sure is that he isn't a consistent crosser of the ball and that is why he mainly played central or on the left for Arsenal as his best performances have come when he is cutting inside, linking the play and coming onto his right foot. Iwobi has certainly done nothing to suggest he offers the value and quality to this side that you mention. At the same time I think there is more to get out of him that we have seen so far in an Everton shirt. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post c1982 Posted March 27, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 After all the excitement about getting to play his favoured position for Nigeria... he won’t now... he’s got COVID. Oh! Having the international break made/makes no sense whatsoever in what is still a global pandemic. At least the South American’s/authorities had more sense. Romey 1878, dunlopp9987, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 16 hours ago, c1982 said: After all the excitement about getting to play his favoured position for Nigeria... he won’t now... he’s got COVID. Oh! Having the international break made/makes no sense whatsoever in what is still a global pandemic. At least the South American’s/authorities had more sense. At least we won't have to worry he'll pass it on... Bailey, c1982, MikeO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: At least we won't have to worry he'll pass it on... That properly made me laugh (if it was a joke based on his poor passing ability and not him being in isolation). Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, StevO said: That properly made me laugh (if it was a joke based on his poor passing ability and not him being in isolation). Definitely the former, so the laugh was warranted . StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: At least we won't have to worry he'll pass it on... Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Matt said: Good to know you can still appreciate my humour even though we clash elsewhere . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, Romey 1878 said: Good to know you can still appreciate my humour even though we clash elsewhere . The power of the clique, I’m not allowed to diverge from the central opinion for more than a few points without dire consequences! StevO, barryj, MikeO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: The power of the clique, I’m not allowed to diverge from the central opinion for more than a few points without dire consequences! The first rule of the clique is you don't talk about the clique. StevO, Matt, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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