Matt Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Even the right wing rags like the Express have been reporting it, that's how bad the Torys were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, Matt said: Yes and I've been pointing this out for years. We're over 1m+ a year are legally allowed into this country under the conservatives. All the while they pointed at the boats as a distraction, a vote seeking attention grab. What Farage has been banging on about in Reform is nearly correct. His solutions and his language are still not. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ It will be interesting to see the figures on how many people leave this year. northern Cyprus seems popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 16 minutes ago, patto said: It will be interesting to see the figures on how many people leave this year. northern Cyprus seems popular It won't change for the next 2-3, there too much legal crap integrated into the system to undo and then it needs votes to pass. People really don't seem to understand quite how fucking incompetent the Torys were/are. MikeO and KinL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 4 hours ago, patto said: I haven’t called anyone a criminal all as I’m saying is it’s wrong what’s happening to lots of people who are being served section 21 and councils do nothing to help them. see you don’t give a fuck about a young woman and 2 kids being evicted all as you want to do is call me racist for mentioning immigration. lots of people live in their own little bubble and don’t give a fuck about other people so long as they are not affected. If you could provide the evidence that immigrants are "bumped to the top of the queue and receive fridges, freezers and iPhones with unlimited minutes" that'd be fantastic, although it's pretty clear that the statement you made was simply your own opinion, which has likely been warped via a lack of intelligence or being part of a social circle that gets its daily fix from The Sun, Nigel Farage and re-runs of Bernard Manning's stand-ups. Meanwhile, your racist agenda is incredibly dangerous. Thankfully through being experienced on this forum I know from your interactions with other members that you aren't taken that seriously, so it won't be an opinion that's given too much attention but it's no wonder certain sections of society are the way they are when absolute nonsense is spouted about "them naughty immigrants" who are apparently to blame for everything wrong in the UK. As I said originally, I can tell you first hand that you're spouting absolute bollocks, whilst there are bad apples in any walk of life (first line British and overseas immigrants) to tar everyone entering the UK from abroad is simply bizarre. Not sure where I mentioned that I "didn't give a fuck about a young woman and 2 kids" either but again, if you could provide some sort of evidence for that I'd be more than happy to entertain you. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: If you could provide the evidence that immigrants are "bumped to the top of the queue and receive fridges, freezers and iPhones with unlimited minutes" that'd be fantastic, although it's pretty clear that the statement you made was simply your own opinion, which has likely been warped via a lack of intelligence or being part of a social circle that gets its daily fix from The Sun, Nigel Farage and re-runs of Bernard Manning's stand-ups. Meanwhile, your racist agenda is incredibly dangerous. Thankfully through being experienced on this forum I know from your interactions with other members that you aren't taken that seriously, so it won't be an opinion that's given too much attention but it's no wonder certain sections of society are the way they are when absolute nonsense is spouted about "them naughty immigrants" who are apparently to blame for everything wrong in the UK. As I said originally, I can tell you first hand that you're spouting absolute bollocks, whilst there are bad apples in any walk of life (first line British and overseas immigrants) to tar everyone entering the UK from abroad is simply bizarre. Not sure where I mentioned that I "didn't give a fuck about a young woman and 2 kids" either but again, if you could provide some sort of evidence for that I'd be more than happy to entertain you. There's no racist agenda here. Poor communication for sure but that's it. If it was, we'd be all over it. Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, Matt said: There's no racist agenda here. Poor communication for sure but that's it. If it was, we'd be all over it. With respect (and I have a lot for you guys) I disagree, but we'll leave it there as not to derail this thread any further. I have said my peace. Matt and MikeO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8yn7n745yo The Torys are and always be incompetent and evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 12 hours ago, patto said: It will be interesting to see the figures on how many people leave this year. northern Cyprus seems popular And will you claim that all Brits who leave will have done so because of immigration in our country when you know the figures, or 50% or even 1% have left due to immigration. I 100% get your frustration at the state of the country and it’s finances and how it affects the less fortunate, but to blame immigration for all the ills is picking on the easy target and letting the real problem the politicians get away with how they have miss managed the country and economy, as Matt says, incompetency is the biggest issue we have had to face, not immigration not Brexit not Covid, but how poorly the Tories have managed those events costing the country billions in poor decisions. So what I’m really trying to say to you is yes be angry and frustrated at the events that are happening to you and others around you, but please don’t blame immigration that just lets those who have really created the problems off the hook, and it has to be said creates racial tensions based on misinformation. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 53 minutes ago, Palfy said: And will you claim that all Brits who leave will have done so because of immigration in our country when you know the figures, or 50% or even 1% have left due to immigration. I 100% get your frustration at the state of the country and it’s finances and how it affects the less fortunate, but to blame immigration for all the ills is picking on the easy target and letting the real problem the politicians get away with how they have miss managed the country and economy, as Matt says, incompetency is the biggest issue we have had to face, not immigration not Brexit not Covid, but how poorly the Tories have managed those events costing the country billions in poor decisions. So what I’m really trying to say to you is yes be angry and frustrated at the events that are happening to you and others around you, but please don’t blame immigration that just lets those who have really created the problems off the hook, and it has to be said creates racial tensions based on misinformation. I’m not blaming immigration for everything although I don’t agree the way it’s being done immigration is only costing 4+billion which they’ve took off pensioners so that’s covered people are leaving because they don’t feel safe for themselves or family the streets are really dangerous. then there is the extra taxes being implemented if you could why would you not leave even though I’m old if my wife was healthy I would leave and ask my family to leave also this country is finished and will never recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, patto said: I’m not blaming immigration for everything although I don’t agree the way it’s being done immigration is only costing 4+billion which they’ve took off pensioners so that’s covered people are leaving because they don’t feel safe for themselves or family the streets are really dangerous. then there is the extra taxes being implemented if you could why would you not leave even though I’m old if my wife was healthy I would leave and ask my family to leave also this country is finished and will never recover. I think everyone can agree that for the last 20 years immigration has been completely mismanaged. I dont think the country is going to recover in the next 5 years either but there's too much money here for it to not bounce back eventually. Assuming the New Conservatives go back to being a socialist party in the next couple of years, although I'm also not confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 13 hours ago, Matt said: Yes and I've been pointing this out for years. We're over 1m+ a year are legally allowed into this country under the conservatives. All the while they pointed at the boats as a distraction, a vote seeking attention grab. What Farage has been banging on about in Reform is nearly correct. His solutions and his language are still not. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ Not trying to stir the shit Matt if there is 1m coming into our country where do they stay there is over 1m on the social housing list so where do they stay or are they the 1m on the housing list and jobs ? it’s just mind blowing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 23 minutes ago, Matt said: I think everyone can agree that for the last 20 years immigration has been completely mismanaged. I dont think the country is going to recover in the next 5 years either but there's too much money here for it to not bounce back eventually. Assuming the New Conservatives go back to being a socialist party in the next couple of years, although I'm also not confident. Labour are finished they will never get elected again even their own supporters are going to form their own party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, patto said: Not trying to stir the shit Matt if there is 1m coming into our country where do they stay there is over 1m on the social housing list so where do they stay or are they the 1m on the housing list and jobs ? it’s just mind blowing Exactly. I can't answer to be honest though I should be more responsible and look only at net immigration, which went from an average 200k a year increase (1m over 1 government sitting which is still a lot for a small population like GB) until around 2021 when it jumped to 750k. So nearly 2.5-3 million net immigrants in 4 years or so. This is roughly the same timeline as the Stop The Boats bullshit started making all the headlines, very convenient timing... Unfortunately when a country has been beaten and broken for 10 years, people are tired and poor and cold and generally fed up considering the much higher (but not perfect) quality of life we had prior to 2008 has been eroded by the same multimillionaires that fucked the country in the 70s and 80s. If you want to see how long it will take to recover, a minimum timeline comparison would be Blair's new "Labour" centrist party but then tack on £100b lost... There's a reason Starmer is going so conservative, he's got no choice just like Blair had no choice after the incompetence and flat out evil of Thatcher era (unless you were already very well off and not working class). All that said, the population also brought this upon itself. The majority of the electorate repeatedly bought the lies of the likes of Cameron, May (who decimated border control and the police, like cut 10s of thousands) and that serial cheat and liar Bojo. This country is so self absorbed it's unreal but again, when you've been battered and beaten, it's almost understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, patto said: Labour are finished they will never get elected again even their own supporters are going to form their own party. We will see. Like with managers and players I'd give a full season before I judge. It's less than 6 months and as they've started sifting through the 15 years of shit, they've found masses of very expensive issues. The alternative is to do a lettuce budget (unaccountable spending with tax drops?!) and crash the economy again. We need patience but I won't lie, they're making it really fucking hard to be. patto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 I'm lost for words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 15 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I'm lost for words. Well that's cut out a lot of what the article says. The approach isn't to look at people who are suffering and say get back to work. It's to see how they can be helped to get back to work if they're in the position to do so. Very poorly communicated to be honest but the principal could help a lot of people who feel they have no self worth Wish I had had that support whilst I was suicidal to be honest instead of just being told do it or else, it set me back years. I get what they're trying to do but as usual with politicians they're so fucking disconnected with reality and how they communicate things. Sev, Palfy and Romey 1878 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Matt said: Well that's cut out a lot of what the article says. The approach isn't to look at people who are suffering and say get back to work. It's to see how they can be helped to get back to work if they're in the position to do so. Very poorly communicated to be honest but the principal could help a lot of people who feel they have no self worth Wish I had had that support whilst I was suicidal to be honest instead of just being told do it or else, it set me back years. I get what they're trying to do but as usual with politicians they're so fucking disconnected with reality and how they communicate things. It just comes across as, once again, targeting the vulnerable. Like you say, with this move and the way it's been communicated they're coming across as horrible. This Labour government were gifted so many open goals when they came to power and they seem determined to completely fuck it up. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: It just comes across as, once again, targeting the vulnerable. Like you say, with this move and the way it's been communicated they're coming across as horrible. This Labour government were gifted so many open goals when they came to power and they seem determined to completely fuck it up. Oh I know, it's fucking stupid. I've got a draft email I'm working on to my local MP to give my 2p and let's just say it's not quite as reasonable as I've been on here... patto and Romey 1878 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 Once again poor communication or cherry picked words by others to slate the government as some sort of evil uncaring party. I hope there are many people who have mental health issues that will grasp this with both hands and see it as a route to self helping themselves, and I hope the government doesn’t use it as a tool to beat people with. Great initiative if run correctly. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Palfy said: Once again poor communication or cherry picked words by others to slate the government as some sort of evil uncaring party. I hope there are many people who have mental health issues that will grasp this with both hands and see it as a route to self helping themselves, and I hope the government doesn’t use it as a tool to beat people with. Great initiative if run correctly. It was the Conservatives that got the ball rolling on this initiative, so you should probably send your praise their way . Matt and Palfy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Palfy said: Once again poor communication or cherry picked words by others to slate the government as some sort of evil uncaring party. I hope there are many people who have mental health issues that will grasp this with both hands and see it as a route to self helping themselves, and I hope the government doesn’t use it as a tool to beat people with. Great initiative if run correctly. Not against this happening but would it not be better to get the fit and able back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 13 minutes ago, Matt said: Just a thought do we have any bods on here that do investing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 16 minutes ago, patto said: Just a thought do we have any bods on here that do investing ? Weyland Yutani is the company from the Aliens franchise mate, it's a dig at Labour doing deals with the devil. No money to invest with and I'm not a big fan of gambling anyway which is all it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 1 hour ago, Matt said: Weyland Yutani is the company from the Aliens franchise mate, it's a dig at Labour doing deals with the devil. No money to invest with and I'm not a big fan of gambling anyway which is all it is. Just a thought Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 Just now, patto said: Just a thought Matt Ah ok, just because you quoted the joke wasn't sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 3 hours ago, patto said: Not against this happening but would it not be better to get the fit and able back to work. Of course but I think this is more to help those who can do with the help to integrate themselves back into the workforce, well at least I hope it is but I accept I maybe be looking at this with rose tinted glasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It was the Conservatives that got the ball rolling on this initiative, so you should probably send your praise their way . I’ll post it 2nd class Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It was the Conservatives that got the ball rolling on this initiative, so you should probably send your praise their way . Having an idea and implementing it are 2 different things though. Fairs fair, it's a good idea, they actually had quite a few. Just couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel without burning it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 26 minutes ago, Matt said: Having an idea and implementing it are 2 different things though. Fairs fair, it's a good idea, they actually had quite a few. Just couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel without burning it down. I don't feel comfortable with targeting people at hospitals that are already feeling vulnerable and delicate and basically telling them their life has no meaning if they don't work. It's a capitalist way of thinking and I think there are far more things that can give life meaning than working for the man. It feels to me like the mentally ill are being demonised and blamed but we'll see how it goes, I might have it completely wrong and it's something that will work and that the people on the end of will appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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