Romey 1878 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 The Conservatives will sort the economy out. I've heard it all now . Hasn't the deficit tripled while they've been in power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Yes we should: https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/ Voting them in again will just continue to bankrupt the country The Conservatives will sort the economy out. I've heard it all now . Hasn't the deficit tripled while they've been in power? No, but they made it considerably worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 No, but they made it considerably worse I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with a fucking fiver. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 When I went in before to vote (Labour) some old farts 70+ were talking outside giving each other their collective votes and all I heard was Conservative's which baffled me tbh Another said well I've nothing better to do we are retired but then moaned about the lack of lighting in the place and moaned that their taxes were paying for the room for the day and demanded it be fully lit I had to bite my tongue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 When I went in before to vote (Labour) some old farts 70+ were talking outside giving each other their collective votes and all I heard was Conservative's which baffled me tbh Another said well I've nothing better to do we are retired but then moaned about the lack of lighting in the place and moaned that their taxes were paying for the room for the day and demanded it be fully lit I had to bite my tongue I wonder how many voted out of habit rather than actually understood the parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Can I just get my apology in early here; being two hours ahead of UK time the polls won't be closing 'til midnight for me. Between now and then we'll go out for a meal and I'll have a Mythos or two, then perhaps a drop of Metaxa or Ouzo, so if I'm talking complete bollocks later on (even more than normal) then please forgive me . I thank you. You enjoy yourself Mike and don't worry were fight for your future and rights, just sit back and take it easy.And by the way apology not excerpted. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 when can i expect to start seeing some results? i'm on the other side of the pond so your middle of the evening is my dinner time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 It's a real shame that the Liberal Democrats never seem to achieve critical mass. My views have always been most in line with theirs, and I've always been disappointed that they never achieve a real breakthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 when can i expect to start seeing some results? i'm on the other side of the pond so your middle of the evening is my dinner time. In about an hour and a quarter (23.00 GMT) as soon as the polls close the joint ITV/Sky/BBC exit poll prediction will be announced. Last two elections they've been pretty much spot on so it should be a good guide. Actual results will start to come in around an hour later (strangely it's the one thing in the country where Sunderland usually come first ). It's a real shame that the Liberal Democrats never seem to achieve critical mass. My views have always been most in line with theirs, and I've always been disappointed that they never achieve a real breakthrough. You know as well as I Steve that that's down to our electoral system; I'm of the same political persuasion and have been for forty years but the Liberals, the Lib/SDP aliiance and latterly the Lib Dems have never achieved the representation their popular support has warranted because of the "first past the post" system. That's not going to change because the status quo favours the big two; turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Cornish Steve and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 In about an hour and a quarter (23.00 GMT) as soon as the polls close the joint ITV/Sky/BBC exit poll prediction will be announced. Last two elections they've been pretty much spot on so it should be a good guide. Actual results will start to come in around an hour later (strangely it's the one thing in the country where Sunderland usually come first ). You know as well as I Steve that that's down to our electoral system; I'm of the same political persuasion and have been for forty years but the Liberals, the Lib/SDP aliiance and latterly the Lib Dems have never achieved the representation their popular support has warranted because of the "first past the post" system. That's not going to change because the status quo favours the big two; turkeys don't vote for Christmas. thanks mike i'm excited to see the results after following this thread, i've enjoyed the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I remember well the election in 1983. The results were: Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote, leading to 397 seats in parliament Labour won 27.6% of the vote, leading to 209 seats in parliament The Liberals/Social Democrats won 25.4% of the vote, leading to 23 seats in parliament The seats were completely out of whack with votes - as you say, because of the way the system works. The Liberals came second almost everywhere, and you get no seats for coming second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Let me make a prediction before the first polls come out: The Conservatives will win the same number of seats (+/-5) as they currently have. In effect, no change. Labour will gain a handful of seats from the Scottish Nationalists, and the Lib Dems will gain 2 seats. That's it. Edited June 8, 2017 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Bye bye, "Great" Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Tories predicted to get 314 from exit polls. Over the moon if right :jump for joy: . Good call Teresa, strong and stable my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) the pound is falling fast, down 2 percent now Edited June 8, 2017 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 who are the tories going to try and woo to form a coalition govenment? who usually links up with the labour party? i'm trying to do the numbers based on the exit polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 the pound is falling fast, down 2 percent now Really don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Tories predicted to get 314 from exit polls. Over the moon if right :jump for joy: . Good call Teresa, strong and stable my arse. I have laughed at the news for the first time in almost a year. Schadenfreude, I believe is the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 who are the tories going to try and woo to form a coalition govenment? who usually links up with the labour party? i'm trying to do the numbers based on the exit polls. Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form pointless minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again. thanks mike for the explanation. well if true, a big win for the liberals. also bravo to the one current green party MP, i just saw they only have one on the parliaments website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form pointless minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again. Have to agree with you. Even if May sneaks over the line with a narrow overall majority she has lost a lot of credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think we need to start a new party lads. Mike and Matt to be the founding members, called a "big pair of TT's" ? Matt and rubecula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 thanks mike for the explanation. well if true, a big win for the liberals. also bravo to the one current green party MP, i just saw they only have one on the parliaments website. Caroline Lucas is a great woman, held a seat in Brighton for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Caroline Lucas is a great woman, held a seat in Brighton for a while now. Especially when you consider that Brighton is the constituency that holds the record for the most one-sided victory ever - for the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Wow. Newcastle actually won something, while Sunderland lose again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think we need to start a new party lads. Mike and Matt to be the founding members, called a "big pair of TT's" Just as long as I can be the left TT it's fine with me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 First couple of results not quite backing the exit poll numbers, making me nervous, I May need to go to bed (see what I did there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Early days yet but it looks like UKIP have taken a beating (as expected) and their votes are being split between Labour and Conservative, roughly in line with how the constituencies voted on brexit. There is also the issue of postal votes which have not (I believe) been able to be included in the exit poll. In short, there is a lot of potential error in the exit poll. Edited June 8, 2017 by rusty747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Early days yet but it looks like UKIP have taken a beating (as expected) and their votes are being split between Labour and Conservative, roughly in line with how the constituencies voted on brexit. There is also the issue of postal votes which have not (I believe) been able to be included in the exit poll. In short, there is a lot of potential error in the exit poll. Indeed, that's one of the reasons why I'm still nervous. 2.00am now, I was expecting to be in bed depressed by this time but the hope has kept me up (sadly the Metaxa has run out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Also the internet has chosen tonight to screw up! My fellow occupants are Romanian, Italian, Bulgarian and mainland Greeks so I don't think they're hogging the bandwidth by following the election . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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