Romey 1878 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 He's just cover, I've no problem with this on a free. Koeman knows the lad so knows what he's getting. I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Played 20 times for the saints last season I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing. Unless Koeman doesn't want to play a system with a RB and Coleman will be used going forward as an option when we change formation? If we were going to play a true RB, then I would want us to be on the prowl for a better RB than Coleman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd like cover to actually be good tbh. You or I could cover, Pad. What we need is someone who can come in when needed and it not be overly noticeable that the number one for that position is missing. He played auite a few times last season mate- I know he's not a great player but it's not easy to attract a player of a good quality when he knows he'll be sitting on the bench begind Clleman when he's fit. Players want to play so we'll never get a quality right back in like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 He played auite a few times last season mate- I know he's not a great player but it's not easy to attract a player of a good quality when he knows he'll be sitting on the bench begind Clleman when he's fit. Players want to play so we'll never get a quality right back in like that. I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert. Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert. Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover. I would too. That leg break was horrendous, Imd be buying a young highly rated rb and letting Coleman fight for his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 He's just cover, I've no problem with this on a free. Koeman knows the lad so knows what he's getting.I agree with this. Sell him in the January window if need be but for now, Holgate is not a RB and Kenny is too young to cope with the demands of Europe plus league play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert. Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not expecting an amazing right back but Martina is so poor. He makes me long for Tony Hibbert. Personally, I'd be looking to replace Coleman, not simply buy cover. After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though?yup. Play Coleman more as a RWB, have a solid RB as an alternative and give him more competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that! I don't think he's great defensively, but I also think you're talking about systems. You either play a true defensive 4, or you let your fullbacks or singular fullback bomb forward, and account for some defensive holes at the back. No fullback has it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'd happily replace Coleman, his defence is shite, good at going forward but suspect at the back. I'd be more inclined to playing Coleman further forward tbh. The Coleman fan boys are going to have a fucking field day with me saying that! But you're not alone mate. I really like Coleman as a person, think he's a cracking guy to have about the squad and as backup, he's just a limited footballer. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I don't think he's great defensively, but I also think you're talking about systems. You either play a true defensive 4, or you let your fullbacks or singular fullback bomb forward, and account for some defensive holes at the back. No fullback has it both ways. Ashley Cole and Dani Alves did, however im not stupid enough to think we can sign someone of their calibre (when Cole was good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 After you just signed Coleman to a lucrative extension, though? Without a second thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 As always, I'm not a fan of signing players 'just for cover' when we have youth talent who could cover. I just don't see the point. Never have. Never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 That would be case if Coleman was fit Newty but with him out for a lengthy period hopefully Kenny will step up and Martina will just be cover for the time being Do we bring in someone that puts Kenny's progression on hold or do we bring in free/cheap cover, Kenny looks every bit the type of player we want to hopefully push or keep Coleman out of the side It makes financial sense and hopefully he want be to integral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 That would be case if Coleman was fit Newty but with him out for a lengthy period hopefully Kenny will step up and Martina will just be cover for the time being Do we bring in someone that puts Kenny's progression on hold or do we bring in free/cheap cover, Kenny looks every bit the type of player we want to hopefully push or keep Coleman out of the side It makes financial sense and hopefully he want be to integral Is free/cheap cover for Kenny not available from the U23's? Can Holgate be the cover? Or vice versa? Even sitting on the bench is good experience for the younger lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Kenny is the cover from the u23's If we play with pure wingbacks then Holgate is out of the equation for me, he'll become a top CB imo and I'd like to see him given a chance there in the right games but he isn't offensively gifted "I think that he is offensively better and more dangerous than Mason (Holgate) in his crosses. That was the reason we gave him the chance." Koeman That's not to put a downer on him in anyway just what I think is a small insight into what Koeman things and I've said above I think it all hinges on whether Coleman comes back the player prior to his injury Edited July 12, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Mo Besic may well and up playing at RB for us at this rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) signed. 3 year deal. http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/17/blues-swoop-for-martina Edited July 17, 2017 by aaron markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) signed. 3 year deal. http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/17/blues-swoop-for-martina apologies aaron, your mate was right (just timing was wrong). welcome Cuco! looks like he will be RB and LB cover per the article: “Cuco Martina is an experienced player who can perform in different positions at the back, which is important,” Koeman said. Side note: he is from the tiny island of Curacao (almost went there for my honeymoon) which is a Dutch Sovereign State in the Caribbean. Edited July 17, 2017 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Well. We've got cover at FB. Wonder what it will mean for Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I have a good feeling about this one you know. I think he'll do ok and the fans will take to him. He's never going to be near first choice but if he stands in and does a job when asked it'll be a shrewd bit of business markjazzbassist, Quinn31 and Romey 1878 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'll hold off on being disappointed until I see whether he's gonna be a hindrance to Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I have a good feeling about this one you know. I think he'll do ok and the fans will take to him. He's never going to be near first choice but if he stands in and does a job when asked it'll be a shrewd bit of business Don't have any problem with having some cover, especially a versatile player who can play both left and right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Got to be more of a cover to LB than RB surly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yippee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Got to be more of a cover to LB than RB surly Yeah I think Koeman's statement on it makes that clear (or I hope). Baines surely can't play 38 games plus all cups at his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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