EFC-Paul Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I'd say he's been pretty steady so far he's had poor anonymous games and decent ones as well but nothing outstanding First season in a completely new side set up and style of play, I like Mori but I think he's used to being paired with a less forward thinking partner who's movements are erratic at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Loved him at Swansea wanted him here. Now he's here and defense is better but he switches off. Time will tell I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Time will tell you say.!! He's played all season and he's over 30, can you see him getting any better, cos I can't. As for the motm poll voting, he has earned all his points in two games, so in the other 25 games nobody thought he played well enough to give him a single vote, I say again he's pretty average, no more no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Pretty sure we've been over this MOTM vote thing before and how it's very misleading. Remember that this a new season, in a new club with a new partnership which has been tinkered with several times. He is only a stop-gap as mentioned before, but he will come good I've no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 The MOTM is very misleading ? It's where people cast votes for players they think have played well, if nobody votes for a player I take it that he hasn't played well enough to give him a vote. Nothing misleading about that, pretty obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 So the fact people voted for someone else other than Williams means he's average? For me it's because 99% of the time it will be down to other players played better (Gana, Barkley, Lukaku, Davies spring to mind) rather than he has been poor. That's why I find it misleading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Matt, Go look at this weeks MOTM, the MOTM never gets all the votes, there's always somebody who thinks other players deserves a vote. Williams has played well enough to attract points in only two games all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 He's been our best defender all season. We have one of the best defensive records in the league, fourth before yesterday's game not sure now, which he has been a big part of. Enough people were worried watching Stones play as he didn't defend properly, Williams defends properly! He may not improve, but he isn't exactly over the hill. I'd be replacing the guy next to him first. Matt and nutmegwolf203 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 I don't get why this has become such a big thing. He has done well recently and this was an average game, one average game. Unfortunately it happens! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I agree Bailey, he's no problem at all for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Difference is I trust Williams, I still don't trust Mori. Williams can stay in the team for next season but for me its Mori who needs replacing first. Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'm with Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Agreed with those assessments. Funes Mori can occasionally put in a great shift - he wouldn't be starting for Argentina otherwise, but Williams is captain material and still one of the more solid if unspectacular CB's in the Premier league. We do need another solid CB to rotate in next season, but in the Tottenham game I think our problem was more to do with formation than it was defending from our CBs. I'd like to see Holgate get a couple shifts in place of Funes Mori if we fall out of contention for 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 One average game !! Tell me when he's had anything but average games. I can't believe it, some people think he's a Franz Beckenbauer, how many times do I have to say it, he's totally average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 One average game !! Tell me when he's had anything but average games. I can't believe it, some people think he's a Franz Beckenbauer, how many times do I have to say it, he's totally average. I don't think anyone has said anything like that. They just realise he is a solid 7/10 player week in week out with the rare 9 or 5 thrown in. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Is Williams a problem? No. He's essentially replaced jags. We need another centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 One average game !! Tell me when he's had anything but average games. I can't believe it, some people think he's a Franz Beckenbauer, how many times do I have to say it, he's totally average. To be fair you need to keep repeating it right up until the point when you manage a team to the Champions league final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Using premier league fantasy footballs bonus point system Williams would be our 2nd best performer. 11th best in the league. On bonus points awarded he's only 7th at the club, pretty much backs up the argument he's one of the most consistent but doesn't ever shine. The data is skewed in favour of players with more minutes, but I can't be arsed adjusting it. https://www.premierleague.com/news/106533 Edited March 16, 2017 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 It was a momentary lapse, yesterday, and he almost put Robles in all sorts of trouble presenting Clueless with a chance to lob our keeper, I expect the ball to be stuck into orbit after such a tame header that lead to a sticky moment yesterday, have criticised both Mori and Robles for losing concentration then finding themselves up the creek so Williams gets a bucket of criticism for not leading by example. It is our senior players that set the bar for the rest of the side to perform too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 A mistake, a very poor one. I think there was a lack of communication between the two of them. Robles should have been telling him to get rid with a forward that close to him and if he doesn't get that shout he needed to do better with the header. But if that's all we have to complain about at the moment, I'll take that. Another clean sheet. Job done from the lads at the back. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-talking-point-ashley-williams-12764738 aaron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-talking-point-ashley-williams-12764738I don't buy it. What about MOTM votes? They just ignored that part in the analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I don't buy it. What about MOTM votes? They just ignored that part in the analysis.Hahahahaha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I don't buy it. What about MOTM votes? They just ignored that part in the analysis. Haha. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Done nothing special as an individual, but seems to pull the defence together. I see somebody actually gave him a vote this week, considering his blunder almost gifted them a goal, he is very lucky to get it. Edited March 19, 2017 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Done nothing special as an individual, but seems to pull the defence together. I see somebody actually gave him a vote this week, considering his blunder almost gifted them a goal, he is very lucky to get it. To be fair Bill, if you look at an in depth stats site (I know, I know...stats...love-hate), he is by far our best performing defender this season by some way in most, not all, defensive areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Our defence is much better since he's been playing. Hasn't been spectacular but has definitely made us more solid. He's a very centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) You need to go back and read the Echo article.... Jags- same average as williams on clearances and blocks, better average on tackles and duels. Mori- not as good as those averages, but beats them both in interceptions and air duels. Like i said Williams is nothing special but seems to blend them together. Edited March 19, 2017 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 You need to go back and read the Echo article.... Jags- same average as williams on clearances and blocks, better average on tackles and duels. Mori- not as good as those averages, but beats them both in interceptions and air duels. Like i said Williams is nothing special but seems to blend them together. When you look at it properly, and I didn't or don't mean a paragraph in the Echo article, you find that Williams tends to be either the 'best' or just '2nd best' at different elements. Where as Jags and Mori interchange and tend to be either just slightly ahead/level with Williams or way off. I think that's why Williams gets the nod ahead of them both. He's the most consistent across the board. Although looking at it, it does feel like Jags has been treat a bit harshly as he tends to fair better than Mori overall. But I think most of us probably rate Jags ahead of Mori anyway. Yeah, Williams is nothing special. But he is a solid CB and his contribution this season shouldn't be underestimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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