Matt Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40231314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 List of extreme Tory policies stopped: Inheritance tax cuts for millionaires Scrapping help with housing costs for young people Weakening arrest warrants for people who have fled overseas Firing workers at will, without any reasons given Regional pay penalising public sector workers outside London and the South East Privatising the motorways and key A-Roads The Snoopers’ Charter Bringing back the old O-level / CSE divide Profit-making in state schools Cutting the time childminders can give to each child Cutting new nursery buildings Stopping geography teachers telling children about how we can tackle climate change Axing human rights from national curriculum Ditching the Human Rights Act Appointing Michael Howard as a European Union Commissioner Watering down the ban on hunting by allowing 40 dogs to flush out a fox Weakening the protections in the Equalities Act Renewing Trident in this Parliament Scrapping Natural England Cutting investment in green energy Nation-wide immigration checks on all new tenants and lodgers http://www.markpack.org.uk/130977/how-much-influence-have-the-lib-dems-had-in-the-coalition/ Louis and Chach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I only give a shit about the whole reason the majority of people for the Lib Dems - tuition fees. Their entire plan was based on that, and it's what won them enough votes to be part of that coalition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I only give a shit about the whole reason the majority of people for the Lib Dems - tuition fees. Their entire plan was based on that, and it's what won them enough votes to be part of that coalition. Fair enough but you can't laugh off the fact that they made a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Fair enough but you can't laugh off the fact that they made a difference.That much of a difference that when the next election came round they were destroyed and the Conservatives were given an open goal. I'll thank them when hell freezes over, Mike. I'm a little bitter . Edited June 10, 2017 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 List of extreme Tory policies stopped: http://www.markpack.org.uk/130977/how-much-influence-have-the-lib-dems-had-in-the-coalition/ Secured a referendum on electoral reform too, I'll never understand how that didn't get up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Secured a referendum on electoral reform too, I'll never understand how that didn't get up. Because it's not in the best interests of either of the two main parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Because it's not in the best interests of either of the two main parties. I can understand why its not in the interest of the Tories, surely its in the interests of the labour party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Thatcher in the rye Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40248366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Because it's not in the best interests of either of the two main parties. I can understand why its not in the interest of the Tories, surely its in the interests of the labour party? Mike? Without checking every individual seat I find it hard to believe that Lib Dems and Labour wouldn't benefit from preference flows, take my old seat for example, has never been anything other than Tory but would have been either Lib Dem or Labour with an AV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40281013 holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The European Commission states that the abolition of roaming charges is ONE OF THE GREAT SUCCESSES OF THE EU. Yes, I would agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Mike? Without checking every individual seat I find it hard to believe that Lib Dems and Labour wouldn't benefit from preference flows, take my old seat for example, has never been anything other than Tory but would have been either Lib Dem or Labour with an AV Sorry, missed this. Not really au fait with AV but Labour took no official position on the vote in 2011, so they obviously weren't keen on it. If you take PR in it's purest form (get x% of the vote you get x% of MPs) Labour would've got 284 members in 1997; because of our system they got 418. This election they were unusually close to getting accurate representation, they got 262 when their percentage would've given them 260. LibDems in this election got 7.4% of the vote which should (in my book) mean they'd have 48 seats and they have 12; SNP get 3% and end up with 35. It's just plain wrong. Chach and holystove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 This might seem a bit trivial but for someone from a small (geographically) member state who cant drive for 2 hours without being in another country, like me, this is really great. Surely (hopefully) something that can be kept in place for British tourists in EU and EU citizens in UK post-brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40281013 They bring it in the day after I come home . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/817651/london-fire-grenfell-tower-block-cladding-latest-updates-european-union-regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 And they're off! Negotiations start today. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/death-of-brexit-at-the-hands-of-theresa-may-a-1152330.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 "EU sequencing will be the row of the summer" - David Davis before UK election. Day 1 of negotiating : EU sequencing accepted. liberals: UK caving already conservatives: UK being sensible, working towards a solution personal take: talks were always going to be phased, smart from UK to not make a fuss over this. However, Davis comes across very silly having said he would make this the "row of the summer". Then again, maybe he still thinks a UK-German deal is what he's working to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Paddy Power's take on Brexit. 100 foot statue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Surely this statue should be pointed inland? MikeO and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 I'm not sure that Davis was that wide of the mark. We all know that Germany runs the EU, if the UK market for their cars was in jeopardy they would make a deal work. The rest would fall into line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 That's excellent spin. ☺ Another way to look at it would be that a man who campaigned to leave the EU doesnt know what the single market or the customs union is. I think my way offers an explanation for how baffled he has looked. You wont hear me complain his "row of the summer" ended before the start of the summer though; EU-member states could definitely profit from a good deal. Remember, days before the referendum he also said negotiations would be held in Berlin. So when you say "we all know that Germany runs the EU", you realize its only him and you right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 When it's all over and concluded, the only difference most of the country will notice is that they are financially worse off. Oh and yes there will be less migrant workers, not because our borders will be closed because they won't, any deal will mean our borders stay open to people from E.U countries, but because as we are seeing now with migrant numbers already dropping and we haven't left yet, is that jobs are drying up and wages are getting lower, so what we can conclude is that ruining the economy is far more effective than closing the boarders, in cutting the number of E.U migrants entering the country. holystove and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 When it's all over and concluded, the only difference most of the country will notice is that they are financially worse off. Oh and yes there will be less migrant workers, not because our borders will be closed because they won't, any deal will mean our borders stay open to people from E.U countries, but because as we are seeing now with migrant numbers already dropping and we haven't left yet, is that jobs are drying up and wages are getting lower, so what we can conclude is that ruining the economy is far more effective than closing the boarders, in cutting the number of E.U migrants entering the country. What most people forget, both in the UK and here in the US, is that migrant workers perform all those jobs that the local workforce refuses to do. If there are fewer migrant workers, who will walk the fields picking strawberries, for example? It's a complete joke to suggest that migrant workers take away jobs. They pay taxes, buy goods, and generally have a positive impact on the economy. The refugee situation is different, because they need a lot more financial help and social support than others, but that's where human decency and compassion come into play. What if we were in their shoes? MikeO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 What most people forget, both in the UK and here in the US, is that migrant workers perform all those jobs that the local workforce refuses to do. If there are fewer migrant workers, who will walk the fields picking strawberries, for example? It's a complete joke to suggest that migrant workers take away jobs. They pay taxes, buy goods, and generally have a positive impact on the economy. The refugee situation is different, because they need a lot more financial help and social support than others, but that's where human decency and compassion come into play. What if we were in their shoes? actually a lot of the people the UK was attracting under freedom of movement were high skilled and it is those that are already leaving now, re Palfy's point. low-skilled will always be available in fairly open rich countries, imo. Immigrants added over 1 billion £ net to UK treasury and lowering immigration below 100.000 will cost UK 6 billion per year according to OBR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 actually a lot of the people the UK was attracting under freedom of movement were high skilled and it is those that are already leaving now, re Palfy's point. low-skilled will always be available in fairly open rich countries, imo. Immigrants added over 1 billion £ net to UK treasury and lowering immigration below 100.000 will cost UK 6 billion per year according to OBR. Exactly it's the skilled workforce that are leaving and not wanting to come, due to the fact we can't offer them a better standard of living than were they are now, we are going backwards, even France's economy is rallying for the first time in years, thanks mainly because of our leaving the E.U.The borders will stay open and we will always attract low skilled workers, and yes they are vital and most welcome Cornish, what we will see here in the not so distant future is people leaving here and becoming migrant workers in other E.U countries, and no doubt 52% of them would have voted out, how ironic that will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 actually a lot of the people the UK was attracting under freedom of movement were high skilled and it is those that are already leaving now, re Palfy's point. low-skilled will always be available in fairly open rich countries, imo. Immigrants added over 1 billion £ net to UK treasury and lowering immigration below 100.000 will cost UK 6 billion per year according to OBR. But we'll be strong and stable so no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) actually a lot of the people the UK was attracting under freedom of movement were high skilled and it is those that are already leaving now, re Palfy's point. low-skilled will always be available in fairly open rich countries, imo. Immigrants added over 1 billion £ net to UK treasury and lowering immigration below 100.000 will cost UK 6 billion per year according to OBR. You're right, of course, about highly skilled workers. In the US, there are huge numbers of talented workers from India. Go to any of the top technology companies, and they are often in the majority. Basically, they graduate from India's renowned technical colleges and move to the US for their advanced degrees. Then they have the right to remain in the US for a year in order to find work - at which point their new employer puts them through the permanent visa process. What has Donald Trump done? Signed an executive order that limits the number of software developers that can obtain permanent visas. In addition, there was a fatal attack on two young Indian engineers (by a Trump supporter) that has scared the Indian community here. If a critical mass leave, it will severely impact America's high-tech industries. This is a lesson Britain must learn, too: Immigrants are valuable, and in some industries they are nothing short of vital. And I write this as someone who supported Brexit - not to leave the common market but to use the vote as leverage to regain sovereignty in other aspects of national life. For sure, I would prefer we do much more to attract immigrants and to help refugees. Edited June 20, 2017 by Cornish Steve Chach and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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