Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Shukes, motivation alone wont see you win REGULARLYagainst these sides, it will get you the odd win here and there but to compete on their level you need players of a high enough quality to do it. It's not about winning all the time though mate. I understand that we can't be expected to win regularly against the top six. What I don't accept is how we seem to look beaten before we kick a ball against that at times. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 How did this lack of motivation manifest itself yesterday? Didn't think we looked that lacking against Chelsea. Did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I think more aspirational targets can be set after an ambitious/positive summer recruitment drive. Get this right and we'll be well in the mix. My thoughts as well. I agree with Steve in we seek to be happy just because we were better than arguably our worst playing team for years. This season we have done ok. But it's his first year and he hasn't had chance to show what he can do yet. Let's watch the summer and see how we build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Didn't think we looked that lacking against Chelsea. Did you? Nope, just lacking in quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 It's not about winning all the time though mate. I understand that we can't be expected to win regularly against the top six. What I don't accept is how we seem to look beaten before we kick a ball against that at times. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Did Southampton last season look like they were beaten before those matches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Oh, and while we are at it, Pochettino's results against that lot this season so far is: W: 3, D: 3, L: 3. So if Spurs win ManU they will better Koeman's results from last season by one point. I'd say Pochettino seems worse against those teams considering he has a much better squad than Koeman has had. holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm an Everton fan. Not too bothered how others do as long as we are respecting our fans hard earned money. Hey, I'm not saying that Koeman has it wrong, just that it is worrying that we can look so unmotivated and beaten at times. I would like to see it addressed and can't wait for the summer to see how we go about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Hey, I'm not saying that Koeman has it wrong, just that it is worrying that we can look so unmotivated and beaten at times. I would like to see it addressed and can't wait for the summer to see how we go about that. It's not just under Koeman that it's happened though, Shukes. It's been a problem for us for a long time, it's become ingrained. That's the reality, and it's not something Koeman can just wave a magic wand over and fix within a season. He's being criticised (not necessarily by you) after being in charge for not even a year yet, despite having made progress. Yeah we haven't made progress in every single department, but that was never going to happen. There is no quick fix for what we want to achieve. Edited May 2, 2017 by Romey 1878 Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm an Everton fan. Not too bothered how others do as long as we are respecting our fans hard earned money. Hey, I'm not saying that Koeman has it wrong, just that it is worrying that we can look so unmotivated and beaten at times. I would like to see it addressed and can't wait for the summer to see how we go about that. Steve compared Koeman to Pochettino so it was only fair I pointed out it's not a very good comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 It's not about winning all the time though mate. I understand that we can't be expected to win regularly against the top six. What I don't accept is how we seem to look beaten before we kick a ball against that at times. When have we looked beaten before we kick a ball? I've not witnessed it. We looked ok for 60 minutes against Chelsea, we were poor against the shite but conceded a last minute goal at hom went 1 down at Anfield but got back in it at 1-1 then it went pear shaped so nowhere can I see us looking beaten . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 When have we looked beaten before we kick a ball? I've not witnessed it. We looked ok for 60 minutes against Chelsea, we were poor against the shite but conceded a last minute goal at hom went 1 down at Anfield but got back in it at 1-1 then it went pear shaped so nowhere can I see us looking beaten . I think some people just can't fathom the fact that our squad is not as good as those teams so they come up with reasons why we don't win more matches. "It must be because we are not trying to win, damn that Koeman!" Elston Gunnn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I think some people just can't fathom the fact that our squad is not as good as those teams so they come up with reasons why we don't win more matches. "It must be because we are not trying to win, damn that Koeman!" This, it's not rocket science they have far better players better squad depth and that winning mentality (Derby games prime examples) We need to bridge the gap season by season it won't happen overnight and it will take time money and patience, if you think a change in manager is going to turn a mid table side into a top five side in such a short period whilst outing the shite Martinez left us with your delusional Makis, Sibdane and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 This, it's not rocket science they have far better players better squad depth and that winning mentality (Derby games prime examples) We need to bridge the gap season by season it won't happen overnight and it will take time money and patience, if you think a change in manager is going to turn a mid table side into a top five side in such a short period whilst outing the shite Martinez left us with your delusional Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) It's not just under Koeman that it's happened though, Shukes. It's been a problem for us for a long time, it's become ingrained. That's the reality, and it's not something Koeman can just wave a magic wand over and fix within a season. He's being criticised (not necessarily by you) after being in charge for not even a year yet, despite having made progress. Yeah we haven't made progress in every single department, but that was never going to happen. There is no quick fix for what we want to achieve. This, it's not rocket science they have far better players better squad depth and that winning mentality (Derby games prime examples) We need to bridge the gap season by season it won't happen overnight and it will take time money and patience, if you think a change in manager is going to turn a mid table side into a top five side in such a short period whilst outing the shite Martinez left us with your delusional Sums up my opinion really. I've not been a fan of some of his approaches, or man-management, but I can't argue that he hasn't done a very impressive job in just about 12 months. Credit where credit is due. In my opinion, for this "next step", the pressure is on Walsh, Morishi et al to actually get in the players to improve the squad, not Koeman Edited May 2, 2017 by Matt Sibdane, Lowensda and efc1111 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Steve compared Koeman to Pochettino so it was only fair I pointed out it's not a very good comparison. Sorry I got by the quote thing again haha thought it was directed more to my c moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 When have we looked beaten before we kick a ball? I've not witnessed it. We looked ok for 60 minutes against Chelsea, we were poor against the shite but conceded a last minute goal at hom went 1 down at Anfield but got back in it at 1-1 then it went pear shaped so nowhere can I see us looking beaten . Just a different way of looking at it that's all. I thought we set up against the shite to try our best not to lose. Man U were pounding us and it was a matter of time. Tottenham looked a whole league above us. We looked afraid against them. To me the mentality wasn't right for those games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Sums up my opinion really. I've not been a fan of some of his approaches, or man-management, but I can't argue that he hasn't done a very impressive job in just about 12 months. Credit where credit is due. In my opinion, for this "next step", the pressure is on Walsh, Morishi et al to actually get in the players to improve the squad, not Koeman Me too Matt it's just an easier way of summarising it by mentioning the manager I've said in other threads and possibly this one previously that this window will be a massive marker of our intent throughout the club, big big summer ahead hopefully!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 So we all agree then. That's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 So we all agree then. That's good. Boo. That's too civilised for this thread ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Boo. That's too civilised for this thread ? Haha. I know I know. But we are so close to utopia!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 So we all agree then. That's good. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I disagree. I agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I agree to disagree Are you trying to pick a fight :shaking fist:? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Are you trying to pick a fight :shaking fist:? I'd agree with that assumption but disagree with your approach ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Mike's so nasty. Brings the forum down with all his macho aggression. Swine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Mike's so nasty. Brings the forum down with all his macho aggression. Swine. I'm a pussy cat really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 I'm a pussy cat really. Haha. Aren't we all?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I take a day out to travel from Cornwall to Heathrow to Miami, and look what happens: Everyone's in agreement. Preposterous. Well, since the discussion about Koeman's ability to motivate the team against top clubs has fizzled, what about his playing favorites? Can anyone justify why an aging backup keeper from the Championship should have been brought in and given the #1 spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 So he could take a look at what we have and decide if we need a new No1. Did it in the cheap so he could run the rule over Robles. Two keepers of similar ability. Both have had about the same game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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