EFC-Paul Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 please see above post. if they were financially sound they wouldn't take the vibrac loan every year to buy players. the same loan we took under bill K and others called a corporate payday loan with insane interest rate. same amount of debt as everton yet their commerical and kit deals are way smaller, staidum is 6k smaller, on and on. not saying they're badly ran, just that they aren't arsenal with cash reserves and no debt. Sorry Mark I must have read a duff article or something at some point Good news for us then really if Koeman is in the frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I can't say Pellegrini has impressed me that much, he has spent loads at Man City, and they should have walked the league this season, but might just get CL by the skin of there teeth. Mourinio is out of our league Frank De Boar is a massive gamble - operated only in the Dutch league, so not for me. I think it is purely coincidence him leaving Ajax and Martinez getting the sack. Koeman would be my choice - he has done great at Southampton, team sold from under him, but they still competed well in the league, so appears to do well with the resources at his disposal, and has spent money available well in my opinion. I have to believe that a move to Everton (especially with new investment) would have to be considered a progression for him career wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I can't say Pellegrini has impressed me that much, he has spent loads at Man City, and they should have walked the league this season, but might just get CL by the skin of there teeth. Mourinio is out of our league Frank De Boar is a massive gamble - operated only in the Dutch league, so not for me. I think it is purely coincidence him leaving Ajax and Martinez getting the sack. Koeman would be my choice - he has done great at Southampton, team sold from under him, but they still competed well in the league, so appears to do well with the resources at his disposal, and has spent money available well in my opinion. I have to believe that a move to Everton (especially with new investment) would have to be considered a progression for him career wise. To be fair, Pellegeini didn't make the transfer decisions at Man Shitty. They've got one of those "directors of footballing" or whatever who does that. So, we can't really judge his work at Man Shitty on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Sorry Mark I must have read a duff article or something at some point Good news for us then really if Koeman is in the frame No worries mate we all want the best for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I don't think Jose is out of our league. In fact, it almost seems to me like a perfect opportunity for him. He gets to the opportunity to prove his ability with a smaller club with money to spend and aspirations to match. Sure he'll wear out his welcome in 3 seasons, but everyone will be talking about Everton. He'll make it so that we cannot be ignored. I think Pelligrini would be a solid choice too. I think he was a little hard done by with Man City. Imagine knowing you are a lame duck halfway through the season. I doubt he gave it his best effort once his replacement was announced. I certainly wouldn't. Koeman would be okay, but not as exciting as the Jose or Pelligrini. I can't speak intelligently about De Boer--I'm not even sure it is possible to watch Dutch football in the US. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I don't care who as long as it is not Brendan Rogers, Alan Pardew or other previously sacked managers. :major overreaction alert: Seriously, it is a bit late in the day with no games left to gauge how good or bad they would be for us. As long as it works out, I will be happy with anyone I think. But there are no guarantees in football. On the list provided Koeman has the best providence. But if he is no good? And after we have paid compensation for him and the money we will be paying Martinez? The only one who we would not pay compensation for who may do the job is FdB, however he has no experience in the Premier League. Pellagrini would have been my choice if he had not fallen apart towards the end of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I'm really not bothered who we get as long as we finish top 4, play attractive football, practice set pieces & win a cup. rubecula and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 He hasn't during his 2 spells at Chelsea. That's what I'm judging him on.I should still have a link to an article about him somewhere which dispells this myth. I'll see if I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I'm really not bothered who we get as long as we finish top 4, play attractive football, practice set pieces & win a cup. I think if we've learned anything over the last 3 years, its we cant multitask, we should just focus on winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristagi Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) I have two train of thoughts about this whole thing.. Optimistic me: There are a lot of good candidates floating around. With new investment and everything forward, I think we need to shake the 'unrealistic' tag from some of the names floated. If all reports are to be believed, we have 100m sitting around waiting for whoever walking in the door to spend. Not to mention the TV money and whatever we make SHOULD Stones or Rom throw the toys out of the cot and demand a transfer. After fees and taking some off the top to service debt there is at least another 50m added to the transfer chest. On top of being able to meet wage demands and bring in the backroom staff of the new managers choice, you're telling me that a Mou, Emery etc wouldn't have their heads turned at the prospect of that kind of warchest? Whoever we get, I'm more confident with Moshiri making decisions. Being a successful businessman he is used to headhunting the best first and not just going with 'the realistic options' because frankly we will never become a bigger club unless we start thinking like one. I would be baffled if we haven't made contact with Jose et al already. We may not get them but its better than being safe and only approaching who we think we can get out of fear of rejection. Lastly, I think Moshiri will be looking for a more ruthless manager than Bill and his board would have, not someone who sells the club well and speak well to the media and is a likeable gentleman. Stuff that sentiment. You know what sells the club and brings in fans, winning. Pessimistic/Everton me: All that stuff I just said is rubbish.We aren't attractive enough for top managers and at the end of the day we will sign Moyes/Hughes/Rafa and be playing Championship is 3 years. Edited May 13, 2016 by Tristagi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I should still have a link to an article about him somewhere which dispells this myth. I'll see if I can find it. I had a look myself... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3317277/Jose-Mourinho-s-abysmal-record-promoting-youth-players-exposed-Sportsmail-reveals-handed-just-five-starts-Chelsea-academy-starlets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) It was the smelling I didn't understand; the "w" missing off the start of "ant" (which I presume is what you meant) threw me. Bit slow tonight. I was posting from the treadmill you were lucky it was as good as it was Edited May 13, 2016 by Paddock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Spending money and spending money well are two different things. Id rather have someone with a better stature and can attract bigger players than Koeman. I'd rather splash a chunk of that transfer fee we're rumoured to have on someone substantial and make a real statement of intent. Spot on, Newcastle being a prime example of spending money but not well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I had a look myself... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3317277/Jose-Mourinho-s-abysmal-record-promoting-youth-players-exposed-Sportsmail-reveals-handed-just-five-starts-Chelsea-academy-starlets.html Here's my link as promised: http://www.oneworldsports.com/stories/duncan-castles-answering-mourinhos-critics During his three years at Madrid – a club which buys global stars at record fees for marketing and political purposes – the Portuguese coach gave no less than 20 academy products their first-team debuts. In chronological order Mourinho's 'canteranos' were Juan Carlos, David Mateos, Antonio Adan, Pablo Sarabia, Alvaro Morata, Alex Fernandez, Nacho Fernandez, Tomas Mejias, Jesus Fernandez, Joselu, Pedro Mendes, Jese, Jorge Casado, Fernando Pacheco, Jose Rodriguez, Denis Cheryshev, Casemiro, Fabinho, Omar Mascarell and Diego Llorente.“In the last three years at Madrid, with Carlo Ancelotti, Rafael Benitez and Zinedine Zidane, only nine canteranos had the opportunity to make their debut in the first team,” Parames said. “Yet it is claimed Mourinho was the one that didn't give opportunities to the young players. They were in his plans, they had their chances. Some were sold and Real Madrid made money for further investments. Others are still in the club.” At Inter, another club obsessed with the transfer market, Mourinho made the 18-year-old Davide Santon his first-choice left back. At Porto, the 19-year-old Carlos Alberto became the second youngest footballer to score in a Champions League Final. A third teenager, Raphael Varane, went into the center of Madrid's defense ahead of Pepe and Sergio Ramos. Even at Chelsea, a club whose academy has spent more on recruiting and preparing youngsters since Abramovich's arrival than any competitor yet failed to deliver a single individual who any of the Russian's carousel of coaches considered good enough to make a long-term starter, Mourinho attempted to promote youth. Steven Watt, Lenny Pidgeley, Anthony Grant, Jimmy Smith, Ben Sahar, Michael Woods, Sam Hutchinson, Lewis Baker, John Swift, Tomas Kalas, Dominic Solanke, Andreas Christensen, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Bertrand Traore are amongst his debutants. If many of the names – particularly from his first stint at Chelsea – are not well known, it is a reflection of what they have subsequently achieved in the sport rather than the opportunity offered to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Thanks... as I said, I was judging him at Chelsea. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him here but development through the academy is a must for me. Something that makes our club stand out and something we've been good at over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Thanks... as I said, I was judging him at Chelsea. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him here but development through the academy is a must for me. Something that makes our club stand out and something we've been good at over the years. In fairness, Jose didn't have control over transfers for his tenures at Chelsea or Inter. He had more influence at Madrid and full influence at Porto. He wants to rebuild his reputation but still be loved. A 'step down' would be good for him. A true project. He'd do better than some suggest, although I have reservations about the playing (albeit winning) style he has. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bilic? Why does anyone want that gobshite Mourinho at this club. He's not "Everton". Classless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bilic? Why does anyone want that gobshite Mourinho at this club. He's not "Everton". Classless. Never leaving West Ham in their current position. (New Stadium, Europe, Money). Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Im starting to sway towards Koeman, Is he the balance of Moyes and Martinez? I think under Koeman we would be the team from Martinez first season in charge. Defensively sound and nice to watch going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Flores is apparently leaving Watford at the end of the season. Was impressed by him dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I agree with Mirallas that de boer isnt good enough for everton. (Neither are any other managers currently active in the dutch or belgian league). Not sure who I'd want but rather have someone like simeone (in your face type of manager) than friendly pellegrini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Koeman Jose De Boer Favra I would love to see Koeman here, he edges it over Jose because of his usage of the youth players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Flores is apparently leaving Watford at the end of the season. Was impressed by him It's out of order isn't it! Feel sorry for them. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Flores is apparently leaving Watford at the end of the season. Was impressed by him Flores is Martinez MK II dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Flores is Martinez MK II Many Watford fans have moaned about his stubbornness tactically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Many Watford fans have moaned about his stubbornness tactically... Does no one find it weird that Watford want rid? Considering what he's done? Not good enough for Watford, nowhere near good enough for Everton. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Does no one find it weird that Watford want rid? Considering what he's done? Not good enough for Watford, nowhere near good enough for Everton. Wasn't saying I wanted him, but I thought he did very well at Watford all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Southampton players being tied down to long deals, anyone think that means Koeman isn't going anywhere? dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Southampton players being tied down to long deals, anyone think that means Koeman isn't going anywhere? Could do but it could also mean the Southampton hierarchy are covering themselves/ providing some positives before his imminent departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Could do but it could also mean the Southampton hierarchy are covering themselves/ providing some positives before his imminent departure. Very true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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