c1982 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Imagine the amount of hair product in the changing room - it'd be unsustainable even with all the money in the game! MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Not for me , he hasn't got the positional sense to play RB or RWB . Play him in his proper position or not at all Surely we are past the square pegs in round hole days? We have got a very promising young player in Kenny who is perfect for that roll , so use him Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Not for me , he hasn't got the positional sense to play RB or RWB . Play him in his proper position or not at all Surely we are past the square pegs in round hole days? We have got a very promising young player in Kenny who is perfect for that roll , so use him Disagree entirely. If you haven't got the positional sense to play full back or wing back then you shouldn't be playing football. Easiest positions to master from a tactical perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Try as I might, I can not get very excited about the coming season........ YET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Disagree entirely. If you haven't got the positional sense to play full back or wing back then you shouldn't be playing football. Easiest positions to master from a tactical perspective. Besic against United at Wembley is a prime example, should he hang his boots up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Disagree entirely. If you haven't got the positional sense to play full back or wing back then you shouldn't be playing football. Easiest positions to master from a tactical perspective. Suarez isn't very good on the wing or at full back. Paris will want their money for NeyMar back too! At a certain level I agree with you but in the PL against potential world class players you can't get away without playing specialist players in specialist positions. Some can do a job for a few games, but put the likes of Hazard up against a midfielder at RB and they will eat them alive. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Davies could do a job there as he is a natural footballer. You could play him anywhere and he would do a job, football is a battle against a single opponent for him. But against the top teams in the premier, he won't have the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Suarez isn't very good on the wing or at full back. Paris will want their money for NeyMar back too! At a certain level I agree with you but in the PL against potential world class players you can't get away without playing specialist players in specialist positions. Some can do a job for a few games, but put the likes of Hazard up against a midfielder at RB and they will eat them alive. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Besic against United at Wembley is a prime example, should he hang his boots up ? I'd argue that besic struggles tactically full stop Edited August 5, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Suarez isn't very good on the wing or at full back. Paris will want their money for NeyMar back too! At a certain level I agree with you but in the PL against potential world class players you can't get away without playing specialist players in specialist positions. Some can do a job for a few games, but put the likes of Hazard up against a midfielder at RB and they will eat them alive. Why would you play one of the world's best attacking players at full back? More to the point... when did he play there? I actually think he would do a job. I've seen Suarez on the wing.... very good he is too - swaps with Messi. Edited August 5, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Why would you play one of the world's best attacking players at full back? More to the point... when did he play there? I actually think he would do a job. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) .... What...we playing read my mind? Edited August 5, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 What...we playing read my mind? Nope. Just out of hospital and thinking better of entering into a completely pointless debate with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Tom isn't a full back and doesn't have any of the attributes to play there, if we are going to start playing the likes of Davies and Cuco Martrna ahead of him is there any point keeping Kenny on the books? Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Nope. Just out of hospital and thinking better of entering into a completely pointless debate with you. Then post nothing... simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Tom isn't a full back and doesn't have any of the attributes to play there, if we are going to start playing the likes of Davies and Cuco Martrna ahead of him is there any point keeping Kenny on the books? Think he'll be going out on loan anyway. Basically, it doesn't matter what we think - as most of us would start Kenny - if Koeman and the other coaches don't see him as a starter there's not a lot we can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Shall we just have a recap... The question arose as to why play Tom out of position... we don't know it's out of position as we didn't know he couldn't play there. Based on his attributes... sound brain, tactical acumen, comfort on the ball, tackling, passing, mobility it was clear to me he could do the job and he did it better than cuco. Then apparently he lacked tactical awareness to play the role? Really? Man of the matchbsays no. Then it goes down the fuckin irritating bollocks route of making stupid points about playing a £75m or £195m player at full back. Followed by a not saying anything but I'm saying something post. Ffs get a grip. The lad is a shit hot player who is getting a football education. I'm all for him getting a variety of roles. Kenny just may not be ready yet... Edited August 5, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Then post nothing... simple.please, lead by example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Shall we just have a recap... The question arose as to why play Tom out of position... we don't know it's out of position as we didn't know he couldn't play there. Based on his attributes... sound brain, tactical acumen, comfort on the ball, tackling, passing, mobility it was clear to me he could do the job and he did it better than cuco. Then apparently he lacked tactical awareness to play the role? Really? Man of the matchbsays no. Then it goes down the fuckin irritating bollocks route of making stupid points about playing a £75m or £195m player at full back. Followed by a not saying anything but I'm saying something post. Ffs get a grip. The lad is a shit hot player who is getting a football education. I'm all for him getting a variety of roles. I'm not questioning whether or not he could do a job there The point is ' he did a job' , and yes I would trust him to do that in the perm , but I want more than that from a full back Holgate can do a job as well but I don't see him as the answer either For me the point is we don't need him to do a job when we have someone like Kenny waiting in the wings who has everything you need from a modern day full back Fair enough I take the point that if Koeman doesn't think he is up to it then so be it , and I would rather see Davies there than Cuco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 please, lead by example No... I'm happy to debate therefore I will post. Rather than being a bit of a nob about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 I'm not questioning whether or not he could do a job there The point is ' he did a job' , and yes I would trust him to do that in the perm , but I want more than that from a full back Holgate can do a job as well but I don't see him as the answer either For me the point is we don't need him to do a job when we have someone like Kenny waiting in the wings who has everything you need from a modern day full back Fair enough I take the point that if Koeman doesn't think he is up to it then so be it , and I would rather see Davies there than Cuco Personally I'd play Davies in the centre ahead of gana or schneiderlin for his around game. I'm merely expressing how I like his ability as a player who can adapt. Future England captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) No... I'm happy to debate therefore I will post. Rather than being a bit of a nob about it. Didn't think you could I put ... to delete a post I was going to make, but decided against it (I didn't delete the post because I've accidentally deleted posts before that weren't mine when on my phone). Not being a nob, just avoiding a pointless conversation, which I failed to do anyway. I agree with you on Davies for what it's worth Edited August 5, 2017 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Btw... just realised I skipped the hospital part. Hope all is ok. Came across as a nob myself there. Edited August 5, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Btw... just realised I skipped the hospital part. Hope all is ok. Came across as a nob myself there. Not taken that way Edited August 5, 2017 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Shall we just have a recap... The question arose as to why play Tom out of position... we don't know it's out of position as we didn't know he couldn't play there. Based on his attributes... sound brain, tactical acumen, comfort on the ball, tackling, passing, mobility it was clear to me he could do the job and he did it better than cuco. Then apparently he lacked tactical awareness to play the role? Really? Man of the matchbsays no. Then it goes down the fuckin irritating bollocks route of making stupid points about playing a £75m or £195m player at full back. Followed by a not saying anything but I'm saying something post. Ffs get a grip. The lad is a shit hot player who is getting a football education. I'm all for him getting a variety of roles. Kenny just may not be ready yet... Thanks for the recap. Cuco played RB whereas Davies played RWB. There is a big difference, much more defensive responsibility at RB. CuCo is crap but the point is the games aren't comparable. All we know is that Davies can cover the RWB position against a crap side that have no real attacking intent. We know Holgate can play RWB and RB against Premiership teams. We also know Cuco is terrible and couldn't play hopscotch In my opinion, against Stoke Davies should be playing in midfield alongside Schneiderlin and Klaasen. Thats where he is best and is good enough to start in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Personally I'd play Davies in the centre ahead of gana or schneiderlin for his around game. I'm merely expressing how I like his ability as a player who can adapt. Future England captain. No argument there , I think he is going to be top drawer Also don't think we need 2 defensive midfielders in the side when playing the likes of Bournemouth at home . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 No argument there , I think he is going to be top drawer Also don't think we need 2 defensive midfielders in the side when playing the likes of Bournemouth at home . Definitely. I would like to see us change it up a bit at home but saying that you can't complain about our home record last season so what do I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 Sevilla's midfield absolutely bossed him today - he can learn a lot for Banega. N'Zonzi was a joy to watch too - effortless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tom-davies-happy-evertons-mr-13443950.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 He's better at right back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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