Avinalaff Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 No but we are currently playing pretty poorly - and we have drawn an awful lot of games against lower half teams. I think we peaked very early, and then failed to maintain that success. I don't think our early season form was necessarily anything more than things going right, which in turn inspires confidence. Turn the clock back to some very poor decisions against us, and injuries to Mirallas, Hibbert, and Gibson, and it's easy to see how momentum was lost. Moyes needs to make the players believe that the season is still there to be a success now, and if we're professional enough, we should respond. Our transfer window and Moyes' contract has disheartened the fans recently, and a few of us need to calm, and recharge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2292928/Ryo-Miyaichi-injury-latest-Roberto-Martinez-fears-season.html It would appear Martinez doesnt know a good tackle when he sees one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2292928/Ryo-Miyaichi-injury-latest-Roberto-Martinez-fears-season.html It would appear Martinez doesnt know a good tackle when he sees one Be interesting to hear his opinion on McManaman's one on Haidara today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21732301 (Ah....just watched the vid "I haven't seen it....I hear he got the ball first....he hasn't got a nasty bone in his body..." ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Horrible tackle, I think Martinez was trying to defend a young player - however it was a shocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 He even makes a blatant handball in the same phase of play. The FA have banned him but I don't know how long for, 3 games I'd imagine for serious foul play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Its gotta be 7 at least, its a career ender that one. Martinez will publically defend him, privately the lad is gonna be disciplined for that and I expect a public apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 He's come out and say that it was his Premier League debut and that he was just fired up. I agree that McManaman doesn't seem the sort to do that but it's still a shocking tackle. I'd expect Wigan to make a full apology (and step out of the FA Cup and let us back in ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 It looks worse in slow mo than it did at the time IMO. He makes a genuine attempt to get the bouncing ball but the follow through looked awful. Is there any news on the lads injury? Hopefully its not as bad as it could have been. Lowensda and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) Haïdara suffered potential knee ligament damage and the incident resulted in the Newcastle assistant manager, John Carver, and the Wigan coach Graham Barrow being sent to the stands after a scuffle developed at the end of the first half. I think it's not as bad as first feared. I think he was able to go and get treatment without the assistance of an ambulance. I think he'll just be out for a few weeks rather than a few months. Edit: Actually, after watching this McManaman's tackle looked rather fair (not for the faint hearted!). http://bbcsporf.lockerdome.com/articles/106770869 Edited March 18, 2013 by Zoo Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 I don't think there's any intent. He goes to side foot the ball... Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 McManaman won't be charged - fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 john carver been charged for approaching mcmanaman..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 McManaman won't be charged - fucking joke. Why is it? Horrendous outcome yes. No intent, in my eyes. pete0 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why is it?I don't think it's a "fucking joke" because it's within the rules....but it was a red card intent or no so he should have got a three game ban. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why is it? Horrendous outcome yes. No intent, in my eyes. that's like sayin you shouldn't be done for manslaughter...obviously a lesser scale but ya know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I don't think it's a "fucking joke" because it's within the rules....but it was a red card intent or no so he should have got a three game ban. Aaah. If that's the case, then fair enough. that's like sayin you shouldn't be done for manslaughter...obviously a lesser scale but ya know That's the worst example ever. It's closer to (as we're talking sport)....Two motor-X riders, hitting the same jump, at the same time but one is a little late, catches the other one, who veers off, crashes and is injured. It's not his fault that it happened or that the guy was injured as a result because he certainly had no intent to hurt him but it happened. There is no intent to harm/hurt/cause injury by McManaman, so why should he get a 6/7/8 game ban? In this picture, he's trying to pull his momentum back. You can see it in his face, he doesn't want to hurt him. There have been many an example of 'intent' and this is not one of them. I feel for the Newcastle lad but there was no way intent. SHould he get a 3 game ban, yeah, for the injury that he's caused. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Here's intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Forgot all about that Nolan tackle, what a ponce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why is it? Horrendous outcome yes. No intent, in my eyes. Think we had this debate after the Nani red - intent has nothing to do with it. Not sure how you can make comparisons on a still shot though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 OK, let's say every tackle is a red card offence then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 OK, let's say every tackle is a red card offence then. alright petal, calm down marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 That's the worst example ever. not sure how...you're sayin intent matters..if there's no intent there's no punishment in your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 In as much as, you're comparing Murder and Manslaughter, to a tackle (intentional or not) in a game of sport? That's why it's the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 i did say a lesser scale Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 If it goes down the root of intent then we are looking at players doing the old accidentally on purpose. It is what it is. At best the challenge was wreckless and used excessive force which is a 3 match ban. At worst he showed complete and utter disregard for the wellbeing of a fellow pro and followed through in a manner that could only be described as a career ender. I havent seen any fellow pros come out and defend it which says it all really. If he did that to Baines and Baines was stretchered off I am sure some views would be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I think a 3 match ban would have been fair. As far as I am concerned he clearly had no intention of causing injury to Haidara and his only focus was winning the ball. However he has to me more aware of who is around him if he is going to make that type of challenge for the ball because it was dangerous and looks as if it could have been far worse than it will be. Although having said that there have been a lot more cases of players deliberately trying to foul and injure other players (Suarez on Distin comes to mind!) where nothing has been done whatsoever and barely anyone battered an eyelid. Just shows how shite the FA procedures are with dealing with things like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 They need to change the rules for the 2013-14 season as from what I've heard the FA have made the right decision regarding the rules. From next season they should be able to ban a player if he has made a challenge as reckless as McManaman's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droobie Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I agree... needs to have a rule change. Here in Australia there is a football tribunal (AFL) that reviews matches for incidents, whether seen by officials at the time or not. Players can be called up for rough/dangerous tackles/play and have to front up on the Tuesday after a weekend. This is separate to reviewing in-game penalties for example yellow or red card decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 The incident is more a case of misfortune rather than malice or poor timing. After a few viewings it's hard to see how it could have been avoided, it wasn't a wild challenge the ball was their to be won and he's unlucky sliced it then instantly tried to pull out the challenge. If he'd not gone for the ball and Newc then scored during the same play people would be calling for his head saying he's a shit house and not experienced enough. Stuff like this is unfortunate, but will always happen in the game and shouldn't be punished. An apology should be enough. It's the players who cause harm with intent or idiotic challenges that we should be pushing for more severe punishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Poor timing, no intent. Its dangerous play resulting in an injury, should have been a red and a 3 game ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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