paul Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 After winning the CWC in 85 did we used to chant "We are the Champions, Champions of Europe"? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Can't say I remember it....but I would probably have only been at two or three games the following season; in London or the south, so couldn't say for sure. Think I'd have felt a bit uncomfortable singing it because it wouldn't actually have been true . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 never heard that chant at all,but i do know we were the first to sing we shall not be moved,on our cup run in 66 up untill we won it. That was the entrance music to Big Daddy wasn't it ? I wasn't aware we were the first to sing that, maybe we should start that again for the Oldham replay and see what happens if it worked in 66. To the initial query, it seems unlikely as we weren't even Champions of Europe that year, Juventus of Turin took that honor, and it's something I fail to recognize either. Champions of Rotterdam would have been better. We were only champions of England in 1985 - nothing more I'm afraid (tried to post this three times now damn it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 It was actually derived from a song by the seekers who were quite popular at the time. Was called We shall not be moved. Seekers recorded it for sure but it's a lot older than that....American folk song dating back to slavery. patto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I remember the music of the time but wasn't a fan of the band in question. I could only name or two of their releases and We shall not be moved, wouldn't have been one of them. But the bottom line on this issue once again is, the initial chant couldn't have been used, unless one or two of our supporters couldn't make a distinction between England and Europe. For example, Swansea City fans leaving London today, would not have been singing 'we are the champions of the world' you understand. Now that I think about it, and while relevant to this issue, isn't it true that what we won in 1985 was indeed 'The Liverpool cup' in that the shite won the 1984 European Cup and the subsequent ECWC competition was dedicated to them ? I don't like to think about it, but it's what the competition title suggested. patto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I can just about remember the odd flashback to games in the 80's. I'll be lying if I said I could remember much about what songs we sang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Dalziel you've lost me now,us winning the cup winners cup had no reference to the shite as you call them.org was about us winning a trophy,which at the time was accepted as a big competition. I've called them worse than that, but seriously if you look at it - 1984 European Cup winners - Liverpool - right ? 1984/85 'European Cup winners' Cup tournament - we won that competition, see what I'm getting at ? But as mentioned it's probably nothing and not the actual concept of the competition but that's how some will read it as. I.E. Tottenham 1963 - Benfica cup, Manchester City 1970 - Milan Cup, Aberdeen 1983 - Aston Villa cup, Arsenal 1994 - Marseille cup, Chelsea 1998 - Dortmund cup and so on. Maybe it's best they scrapped the damn thing in the end to avoid any further confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 1984 European Cup winners - Liverpool - right ? 1984/85 'European Cup winners' Cup tournament - we won that competition, see what I'm getting at ? Don't know about patto but I've not got a clue . There was no connection whatsoever between the European Cup and the ECWC....one was for the previous season's champions, the other for the previous season's cup winners. Liverpool had fuck all to do with our win so why in the world would it be called the Liverpool Cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Thanks for the responses, perhaps I should change my question to did w chant 'We are the Champions, Champions of England'? As I think Europe may only have been added as a drunken twist on the above going by the responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 It was indeed playing the cup final just three days after the win in Rotterdam that did it, but I remember United manager Atkinson saying at the time "They're (Everton) complaining about having to play so soon after midweek, but we had a much harder game (midweek) at Watford than they did" (in the Netherlands) We were better than them for sure as illustrated by the comprehensive win in the charity shield that august, not to mention the little 5 - 0 win over them earlier that season, but as mentioned, the endeavors of the Vienna game, and what had been a very long season proved a little too much in the end. If we had been given a couple extra days after Rotterdam to play them I'm sure we would have done the treble that year, but it's no good crying over spilt milk, as with the subsequent ban on english clubs in Europe and what we could have done. It was indeed the ECWC and not the CWC incidentally, as that's how I've always recognized it, with the 'European' first. as the below article illustrates. http://www.evertonfc.com/history/european-cup-winners-cup-1985.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Thanks for the responses, perhaps I should change my question to did w chant 'We are the Champions, Champions of England'? As I think Europe may only have been added as a drunken twist on the above going by the responses. The song at the time was Campioni Everton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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