mikkey Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I mean Leon Osman is a semi Turk. All the players have their flags but not even a Northern Cyprus flag? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Good observation, good first post (welcome). I have absolutely no idea as to why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I didn't know all the players had a flag ? Neither did I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 The only players to have a flag are Nikica Jelavic (Croatia) and Maroane Fellaini (Belgium). It's not the club that puts them up either, its the supporters so unless someone Turkish makes a flag and hangs it up every week there will be no change. Not that its needed as nobody Turkish plays for the club (or ever has done by my recent memory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) The Belgian flag will surely also count for Mirallas Edited February 6, 2013 by Mirallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Is it really necessary? He's from Skem, not Turkey or Cyprus:) "I’m an English lad. I’m not Turkish, I’m not Cypriot. I’d like to point that out." - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9673781/Sweden-v-England-Everton-midfielder-Leon-Osman-is-ready-to-have-a-ball-if-Roy-Hodgson-says-the-word.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 The Belgian flag will surely also count for Mirallas The Belgian flag has a silhouette of Marouane Fellaini on it so it's for him. I don't think I've seen it this season though as it was always hung over the advertising boards in either Gwladys or the Park End (can't remember which side). So yeah, it was for Maro only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I don't like the idea of Turkish flags at Goodison Park. Osman or not, it reminds me of a certain game, with a certain club, in a certain competition a few years back. I hope they're not prominent if we ever play Leeds United again. There's still a lot ill feeling about the deaths of the two supporters in Istanbul in 2000 you understand. Good natured or not, and their supporters simply won't want to see flags on display. But it's very unlikely we'll be playing them again any time soon, so seems safe enough. I only wanted to mention that, as you've seen before how fans can react. Osman was eligible to play for Turkey, and they've done not too bad in various tournaments and gone further than England in recent years, so I wonder how Osman felt about that at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Didn't Osman say he wasn't even eligible to play for Turkey and that it was a load of crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Didn't Osman say he wasn't even eligible to play for Turkey and that it was a load of crap? Sure he would've been because his father is Turkish Cypriot....so he could've played for either Turkey or Cyprus. He played for England U16 as a kid but I don't think that ties him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I understood it he was eligible through his father, and even Wikipedia states it. Fair enough, the above can be manipulated, but 99.9 per cent of the time, it's a reliable enough source of information. Osman could have played for England, Turkey or Cyprus. But chose his country of birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Leon Bodrum, a marmaris player indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 A bit off topic but could someone let me know how Bainsey's second half went today? Missed it due to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkey Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I don't like the idea of Turkish flags at Goodison Park. Osman or not, it reminds me of a certain game, with a certain club, in a certain competition a few years back. I hope they're not prominent if we ever play Leeds United again. There's still a lot ill feeling about the deaths of the two supporters in Istanbul in 2000 you understand. Good natured or not, and their supporters simply won't want to see flags on display. But it's very unlikely we'll be playing them again any time soon, so seems safe enough. I only wanted to mention that, as you've seen before how fans can react. Osman was eligible to play for Turkey, and they've done not too bad in various tournaments and gone further than England in recent years, so I wonder how Osman felt about that at the time. Fair point. Murdering fans is just inexcusable even though they wiped their behinds with the Turkish flag. To be objective-in any country, you do that, Peru, Croatia -you're asking for trouble. I just hope that Turks aren't forever linked with what two people did vis a vis the greater whole. That is really unfair I think. On another note the 3-3 comeback against Villa was amazing. You all seem like reasonable and personable guys unlike the nonsense spewers on twitter. Best of luck at ManU, it is live here in the US and I'm watching on Sunday tho not live! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkey Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Not to belabor this "Turkish" thing. During the London riots Turkish immigrants were the most solid and the only ones who fought back at the rioters. They chased whilke others ran away from them. Two murderers, should never detract. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkey Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Last point! Brits forgive Argentines who ply their trade in EPL and yet their country killed 255 of you with grave intent. But they are forgiven and Aguero and Tevez roam free, as they should -as should Turks! Yet people forgive the Falklands and cannot forget two Turks, get some perspective guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Mikkey, I really wouldn't look into what DK has said there. It doesnt matter what country a match is played in, an element of hooliganism exists everywhere. I'm sure planes still take off from Leeds and go to Turkey every summer - just like people go to Rome, Amsterdam etc etc. Idiots exist in every country and good people exist in every country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 All I was saying if Leeds United play here - there are Turkish flags on display - you do the math. Could be Goodison Park or whatever the venue, not just exclusive to here is it. I'm out of time and too irritated to even continue now, I'm sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 The math was already done when kewell signed for galatasary, Ian rush and sissoko had signed for Juve. I guess tugay playing against Leeds would cause a problem if a flag at goodison was a problem??? People do try and move on - speaking of which..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkey Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) Mikkey, I really wouldn't look into what DK has said there. It doesnt matter what country a match is played in, an element of hooliganism exists everywhere. I'm sure planes still take off from Leeds and go to Turkey every summer - just like people go to Rome, Amsterdam etc etc. Idiots exist in every country and good people exist in every country. Fair point Hafnia. I dwell in the past because others drag me back there. Ryanair, British fly to Antalya and Istanbul daily. I hate to bring up your arch rivals in red played in Istanbul a while ago in the CL. Maybe this is your year. Sorry if I offended anyone. Edited February 8, 2013 by mikkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 F*ckin love Turkey. I might just take a flag. Best holiday's I've ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Last point! Brits forgive Argentines who ply their trade in EPL and yet their country killed 255 of you with grave intent. But they are forgiven and Aguero and Tevez roam free, as they should -as should Turks! Yet people forgive the Falklands and cannot forget two Turks, get some perspective guys! Million miles away mate. War is war. Murder at a sporting venue where people go to support a football team is a different thing altogether. I dont think any of us are particualry against Turkish players, i know i am not. Just cant remember one playing for us thats all. And who ever said we forgive them? it's just..... Tevez didnt do the killing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I don't have a problem with any nationality. People are individuals, and have the right to represent themselves. I don't know of any documented race more aggressive than the English, so it's ironic that a few of us forget our past history when discussing events. If the Internet doesn't offer enough insight into realising that people are pretty much the same where ever they are (in a good way) then nothing will. The world is full of wankers, but those wankers are not representative of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Didn't Osman say he wasn't even eligible to play for Turkey and that it was a load of crap? Says about half way down that it was just an urban myth http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2275034/Leon-Osman--The-Footballers-Football-Column-What-makes-Everton-player-Desire-heart-quality-character--But-Pienaar-reckons-bit-Bee-Gees.html#axzz2KJhyKjN3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Says about half way down that it was just an urban myth http://www.dailymail...l#axzz2KJhyKjN3 Knew I hadn't imagined it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Maybe it was because of Mehmet Osman - the Turkish Cypriot owner of Ozcabs in eastenders back in the 80's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Osman Actually looks like leon less tash and hair style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I read the link (it wasn't an easy task) but Osman mentions a 'somalian grandfather' now ? I was unaware of such a thing, but the player certainly has some interesting heritage ? Guess I can talk a bit on this now as feeling more phlegmatic now than yesterday and it's just that there's always propensity for trouble, and soccer is no exception. Fans don't do themselves any favors on this issue, with disclosure of Turkish flags at Leeds games (I know we should let this lie, and I'm more than prepared to), that instigates trouble and people get hurt. This Osman flag business is good natured from our perspective, but what if it was on display, and some opposition supporters took offense ? I wish that Leeds supporter was reading this who came on a few weeks back and had a response or view, just out of interest, but it's all very well and good we should let this lie now. One above response quoted Argentine players in the league, Yes they're there, but we don't see the flags ? The Falklands was 31 years ago now, and many of the crowd won't remember or even be aware of the troubles. All they'll concentrate on, is that Tevez and other countrymen in the EPL, are decent players and not focus too much on nationality. Are there even Argentine flags on display at MCFC stadium ? I've never seen them myself. Same with German players. The last war was over 60 years ago, but despite some poor sub standard news publications trying to stir things (see Euro 96 as one example) with poor attempts at humor that may raise a snigger with some dumb kids, any German readers, may take umbrage themselves, even if it is good natured. But sometimes these said publications don't appear like they're joking sometimes. Feel I'm digging myself into a hole here, but that's what I should have said and feel about things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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