MikeO Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Current Player of the Season totals... Fellaini...165 Baines...127 Osman...92 Coleman...89 Pienaar...79 Anichebe...68 Jagielka...68 Mirallas...57 Howard...33 Gibson...25 Jelavic...24 Oviedo...22 Distin...22 Naismith...15 Hitzlsperger...6 Hibbert...2 Neville...2 Mucha...1 Heitinga...1 Barkley...1 Previous MOTM winners... Southampton (A)...Tim Howard Swansea (H)...Seamus Coleman Cheltenham (A)...Leon Osman Newcastle (A)...Leighton Baines Chelsea (H)...Sylvain Distin Wigan (H)...Leon Osman West Ham (A)...Leon Osman Stoke (A)...Steven Pienaar Tottenham (H)...Seamus Coleman Manchester City (A)...Phil Jagielka Arsenal (H)...Marouane Fellaini Norwich (H)...Bryan Oviedo Reading (A)...Thomas Hitzlsperger Sunderland (H)...Marouane Fellaini Fulham (A)...Marouane Fellaini Liverpool (H)...Kevin Mirallas QPR (A)...Phil Jagielka Wigan (A)...Leighton Baines Southampton (H)...Nikica Jelavic Leeds (A)...Victor Anichebe Swansea (A)...Victor Anichebe Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines West Brom (A)...Leon Osman Leyton Orient (H)...Kevin Mirallas Aston Villa (A)...Steven Pienaar Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Howard stood out over the radio. Well done Johnny and well done Moyes. Looking at that bench, we are woefully short of bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Gave it to Heitinga, everyone was shit and he got us out of jail and into the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 again, sounds like no one did themselves any favours. Not voting. This shit needs to end - bad football. Poor tactics, shite subs. We should be walloping teams like that. Moyes needs to send Jelavic to counselling. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Didn't find a way to watch the game so I can't vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonKey Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Listening to it on the radio and probably have to go for Howard. Nothing really inspiring from any of the outfield players unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Only heard it on the radio but by the sounds of things Howard kept us in it with a few saves so gave it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 'Fraid it was over radio too but I think TIm kept us in it but thanks too to Johnny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 What's all the radio thing, has Everton TV closed down or something ? I didn't see the game either, or at least I tried to in way of some highlights - but you can't see much with about 30 seconds of goddamn action, that the always excellent ITV gave us - and how the fuck did Altrincham against Middlesbrough get three times as long highlights than our game. I voted because I'm eligible to, and therefore give the vote to Heitinga. Maybe he didn't deserve it, but it's because of him we have a place in the fifth round of the competition. Maybe there weren't many (other) players once again that fully deserved the honors also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 From what i heard on the radio i gave it to Pienaar. Reason is that he made a few bad decisions but each time he did he seemed to have the ball a few seconds later trying again. He also had the first chance that excited the commentators. So for his involvment in the match and willingness to recieve the ball and try, he gets my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Did not watch, did not listen, so I cant vote. I think it was an offensive change bringing Heits on. From what I have read about the game, Jelavic wasnt getting anywhere against Boltons CBs. I can see Moyes bringing Heits on to cover in CM while pushing Felli forward to test Notlobs CBs. It worked, although i dont think anyone could claim that they thought Heits would do the job. He was merely put on as a destructive force allowing Felli to go forward. I think its a good substitution to make. Given what was on the bench. DM knows his shit, lets let him get on with it. Some are calling him lucky, I say luck has nothing to do with it. Its like calling a sales person jammy for finding a client that spends a shitload of money, only to realise that he has made ten times more sales calls to prospects. You create your own luck Edited January 27, 2013 by Peter H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Did not watch, did not listen, so I cant vote. I think it was an offensive change bringing Heits on. From what I have read about the game, Jelavic wasnt getting anywhere against Boltons CBs. I can see Moyes bringing Heits on to cover in CM while pushing Felli forward to test Notlobs CBs. It worked, although i dont think anyone could claim that they thought Heits would do the job. He was merely put on as a destructive force allowing Felli to go forward. I think its a good substitution to make. Given what was on the bench. DM knows his shit, lets let him get on with it. Some are calling him lucky, I say luck has nothing to do with it. Its like calling a sales person jammy for finding a client that spends a shitload of money, only to realise that he has made ten times more sales calls to prospects. You create your own luck How many times has that tactical change back fired? It's worked once, a CB scoring a winner is hardly justification it's pure luck. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 How many times has that tactical change back fired? It's worked once, a CB scoring a winner is hardly justification it's pure luck. Normally when Heitinga or a Cb back come on for Jelly at the end of a game it's in order to drop deeper and shore things up, although invariably it never works. I do believe that this was a different type of change like Peter said, an offensive change. I don't think Moyes made the change thinking Heitinga was going to score, he made it so everyone could push into the box...which they did and put a lot more pressure on Bolton. We scored from it, end of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Im not having a pop at people watching the game on streams/TV but maybe you couldnt see the change in formation when Hietinga came on It was pretty obvious it was not a defensive move you could see that by the shape of the team. People who are just looking at the fact we replaced a forward with a CB need to look beyond that and see the bigger picture, if you will forgive the pun! Jelavic had absolutely no joy all game so Felli was pushed up to replace him and cause a bit of havoc. Johnny took over the holding midfielder role which released Osman to move into a more advanced role. Ok he didnt put Johnny on thinking he would personally grab the winner but Osman,who had been having a shocker, suddenly started getting into the game and looking more like the Osman we know and Felli was involved in the chaos in their area that led to the goal. So I would say his tactics were spot on and to call it pure luck is ignorant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 How many times has that tactical change back fired? It's worked once, a CB scoring a winner is hardly justification it's pure luck. As MoyesForPM said, DM didn't put Heitinga on to score. He put him on to allow Felli and Osman to take a step forward to apply much needed pressure on Bolton's CB's. It was an offensive substitution. Heitinga scoring could be down to luck, but the chance came from the added pressure. In other words the luck was created. You don't just get lucky, you do something that gives you the chance to get lucky. If you ask 100 girls if they want to blow you, without paying for any drinks or any chit chat you might get 99 slaps and 1 blowjob. Is that lucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 So I would say his tactics were spot on and to call it pure luck is ignorant Well how many times has he tried the exact same tactic and it's not paid off. It's worked once and against lesser opposition at that, not a justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 It would have been simpler to just bring Vellios on instead surely? Heitinga was basically a like for like not attacking and not defensive. You can understand why he has done it but its all arse about tit. Him and Benitez must be right up there for the oddest 'tactical' substitute award! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Im not having a pop at people watching the game on streams/TV but maybe you couldnt see the change in formation when Hietinga came on It was pretty obvious it was not a defensive move you could see that by the shape of the team. People who are just looking at the fact we replaced a forward with a CB need to look beyond that and see the bigger picture, if you will forgive the pun! Jelavic had absolutely no joy all game so Felli was pushed up to replace him and cause a bit of havoc. Johnny took over the holding midfielder role which released Osman to move into a more advanced role. Ok he didnt put Johnny on thinking he would personally grab the winner but Osman,who had been having a shocker, suddenly started getting into the game and looking more like the Osman we know and Felli was involved in the chaos in their area that led to the goal. So I would say his tactics were spot on and to call it pure luck is ignorant not really. Defender on for your striker when you should be pushing to win the game, hoping that an exhausted Ossie would make the difference? Im not saying it was 100% luck but it played a massive part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 It would have been simpler to just bring Vellios on instead surely? Heitinga was basically a like for like not attacking and not defensive. You can understand why he has done it but its all arse about tit. Him and Benitez must be right up there for the oddest 'tactical' substitute award! Sometimes a little out of the box thinking pays off. We are due good fortune this season, and maybe it is a turning point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 On the OS there's a vid of Neville stating it was a lucky win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Maybe it was a bit fortuitous. Possession was about equal by the end, they had as many goal shots as ourselves, and were after all, just minutes away from getting a draw. It would have been a fair result to them to have earned a replay at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 not really. Defender on for your striker when you should be pushing to win the game, hoping that an exhausted Ossie would make the difference? Im not saying it was 100% luck but it played a massive part. We were pushing to win the game and we did ib fact win it so his tactical change worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 We were pushing to win the game and we did ib fact win it so his tactical change worked naive to think luck didnt play a part imo. I cant argue further as i didnt see the game and radio coverage was crap, but stick by my thinking none the less. In my world you'd throw another striker on, you dont turn to a CDM to win a game. Moyes was suring up the midfield with a defensive minded player - prio 1; dont concede. The fact that change meant the win too was down to luck, regardless of who it freed up to move further up the pitch after 80 odd mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) naive to think luck didnt play a part imo. I cant argue further as i didnt see the game and radio coverage was crap, but stick by my thinking none the less. In my world you'd throw another striker on, you dont turn to a CDM to win a game. Moyes was suring up the midfield with a defensive minded player - prio 1; dont concede. The fact that change meant the win too was down to luck, regardless of who it freed up to move further up the pitch after 80 odd mins. Thats the entire point, we didnt turn to Heitinga to win the game, we turned to Felli and Osman, the fact Johhny scored was just a bonus He thought Felli would be more efffective than Vellios and given his form this season I would tend to agree. We were lucky to still be in the game because for the majority of the match Bolton were the better side, but to say it was a lucky substition is the naive part in my eyes Luck obviously plays a part in any game of football but he made a tactical change that worked. Jelavic wasnt getting a sniff so was completely ineffective. Osman playing in a more advanced role gave us the initiative and Felli was the man who kept the ball in play to tee Hietinga up so I would say it was a pretty effective change Edited January 29, 2013 by duncanmckenzieismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thats the entire point, we didnt turn to Heitinga to win the game, we turned to Felli and Osman, the fact Johhny scored was just a bonus He thought Felli would be more efffective than Vellios and given his form this season I would tend to agree. We were lucky to still be in the game because for the majority of the match Bolton were the better side, but to say it was a lucky substition is the naive part in my eyes Luck obviously plays a part in any game of football but he made a tactical change that worked. Jelavic wasnt getting a sniff so was completely ineffective. Osman playing in a more advanced role gave us the initiative and Felli was the man who kept the ball in play to tee Hietinga up so I would say it was a pretty effective change I see where youre coming from, but it seems strange that Ossie going further forward (who has looked exhausted the last couple of games) made a difference in the last 10 mins. Like I said, I didnt see the game so cant really comment, I can only repeat myself. Vellios' form isnt comparible because hes not given the chance to play, nor is he in the same league of skill. But, last time I saw him come on, he helped us turn 1-0 into 2-1... I think thats were some people might be coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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