Guest blueboy122 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Just noticed that Luiz Gustavo is going to Arsenal for around the £15 million mark so surely there's no way that Mccarthy can go for the same figure. Gustavo is streets ahead of Mccarthy in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Just noticed that Luiz Gustavo is going to Arsenal for around the £15 million mark so surely there's no way that Mccarthy can go for the same figure. Gustavo is streets ahead of Mccarthy in my opinion. He is not British Bailey and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 He is not British Or Irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Or Irish Wont get into a political discussion haha My mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 He is not British Well pointed out Gustavo is certainly a better and more proven player though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/333226/Manchester-United-double-deal-key-to-James-McCarthy-s-move-to-Everton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I agree that in order to buy McCarthy we would need to sell Baines & Fellaini but IMO that would be terrible business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I agree that in order to buy McCarthy we would need to sell Baines & Fellaini but IMO that would be terrible business.both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 We wouldn't need to sell both. No chance. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 http://www.dailystar...move-to-Everton Math not their strong side? McCarthy at 15 mil according to article Felli at more than 20 mil according to article. Baines at 18 mil according to article. Why even state that Everton need to sell both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Although their maths are wrong, just bear in mind that that if we sell a player for £15m, we do not have the directly to buy one in £15m. The tax man takes a share when you sell a player and no doubt there are a load of other costs e.g. Legal, Admin, twatty agents etc. that will also get covered. patto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Although their maths are wrong, just bear in mind that that if we sell a player for £15m, we do not have the directly to buy one in £15m. The tax man takes a share when you sell a player and no doubt there are a load of other costs e.g. Legal, Admin, twatty agents etc. that will also get covered. If you sell something in Sweden and then replace it, you dont pay tax as you have not received any money. Sell your small house, use the income towards a new house = no income taxes. Not the same in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 If you sell something in Sweden and then replace it, you dont pay tax as you have not received any money. Sell your small house, use the income towards a new house = no income taxes. Not the same in the UK? Mate, they would tax fresh air in this country if they found a way, greedy cunts :shaking fist: Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted August 19, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Mate, they would tax fresh air in this country if they found a way, greedy cunts :shaking fist: I had my fresh air taxed this morning, nearly took my breath away! Romey 1878, Bailey, Quinn31 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2397522/Wigans-James-McCarthy-fits-Everton-emergency.html The Mail are just throwing out names... Kolarov?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2397522/Wigans-James-McCarthy-fits-Everton-emergency.html The Mail are just throwing out names... Kolarov?!?! They also mention we watched Belgian left back Sébastien Pocognoli, which is possible as he started for Belgium this week. But I doubt he's very high on our wish list given the fact he can't even get into the Hannover team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearthainn Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Offer for Baines -> Check for cheap left backs on google -> Are they Belgian? Everton love Belgians -> Create new transfer rumour. The Daily Mail way. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2397522/Wigans-James-McCarthy-fits-Everton-emergency.html The Mail are just throwing out names... Kolarov?!?! stopped reading there.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I still think £15m is a lot to pay for him if we do sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 For me, McCarthy as a DM fits into the Martinez style of play much better than Fellaini. I think Fellaini's head has already been turned so my thoughts are towards getting the best possible price for Felli, buying McCarthy and using some of the spare cash to tie Baines into a very long term contract. Anything left over could be used for a season loan or cheap buy of Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Can anybody else see this being an deadline day transfer for Fellaini and Baines and then us not having enough time to replace them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 We should be in touch with Whelan now and basically agree a deal in principle (unless we already have done). Quinn31 and SimonButtle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Can anybody else see this being an deadline day transfer for Fellaini and Baines and then us not having enough time to replace them? I get the feeling that we've done all that's needed to pull the trigger on this one should Fellaini leave. It's clear that McCarthy wants to work with RM, which is why interest from other teams went nowhere. My guess is 12m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 always admired McCarthy, massively underrated. Would add a great deal to our squad, however he's closer to Gibson in style (which isn't a bad thing at all), so I still think we need a commanding, steely midfielder to replace Fellaini. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 always admired McCarthy, massively underrated. Would add a great deal to our squad, however he's closer to Gibson in style (which isn't a bad thing at all), so I still think we need a commanding, steely midfielder to replace Fellaini. Yes but Gibson is proving a bit of a short term solution due to his constant injury issues, so it's probably a useful position to strengthen. J you know your players, do you not agree that the £15m is a little on the high side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 I want a Gravesen type. SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 Yes but Gibson is proving a bit of a short term solution due to his constant injury issues, so it's probably a useful position to strengthen. J you know your players, do you not agree that the £15m is a little on the high side? That he is, and in all honesty, you should probably see McCarthy as the guy to replace him long term. Gibson plays when fit. Which is rare. £15m is high yeah, i'd be more inclined to pay £10m with all thing considered and i'd argue that additional payments based on appearances, caps, goals, shouldn't be over looked to a figure close to that. He's classed as homegrown talent, so he comes at a premium. Personally, i'd have loved Capoue and McCarthy together in the middle but that looks very unlike now that he's gone. I'd still want a tough tackler next to McCarthy, although he's very good at retrieving the ball from standing positions, I still don't think he has enough of aggression (controlled of course) and if a game needed if, he'll be one of the ones i'd expect to 'ghost', should things get a bit rugged. Marrone would also be a good option, he has the defensive qualities that are needed to compliment McCarthy's game (imo). Strong runner too, so they could both pull out of CM, should the attacking options need reinforcements. SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 If you sell something in Sweden and then replace it, you dont pay tax as you have not received any money. Sell your small house, use the income towards a new house = no income taxes. Not the same in the UK? See link below. Clear as mud innit http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim64115.htm "In the English Football League, transfers between clubs entail the new club paying the League a levy of five per cent of the transfer fee. Signing-on fees are payable to the player at the discretion of the new club and will normally have been agreed between the player and the new club during transfer negotiations. The signing-on fee payable to the player is stated in the contract and is normally payable by equal instalments over the period of the contract, which may sometimes include the period over which there is an option to extend the contract. Where the player is subsequently transferred at the request of his club, any unpaid instalments of the earlier signing-on fee are payable immediately. But where the player requests a transfer he forfeits any such unpaid instalments unless the management committee is satisfied that his transfer request was made on reasonable grounds. Instalments of signing-on fees are chargeable to tax on receipt." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted August 20, 2013 Report Share Posted August 20, 2013 That he is, and in all honesty, you should probably see McCarthy as the guy to replace him long term. Gibson plays when fit. Which is rare. £15m is high yeah, i'd be more inclined to pay £10m with all thing considered and i'd argue that additional payments based on appearances, caps, goals, shouldn't be over looked to a figure close to that. He's classed as homegrown talent, so he comes at a premium. Personally, i'd have loved Capoue and McCarthy together in the middle but that looks very unlike now that he's gone. I'd still want a tough tackler next to McCarthy, although he's very good at retrieving the ball from standing positions, I still don't think he has enough of aggression (controlled of course) and if a game needed if, he'll be one of the ones i'd expect to 'ghost', should things get a bit rugged. Marrone would also be a good option, he has the defensive qualities that are needed to compliment McCarthy's game (imo). Strong runner too, so they could both pull out of CM, should the attacking options need reinforcements. Think that if Fellini went I would want to have McCarthy to replace him even though I would have liked us to have also signed Scott Parker. He will be a great signing for Fulham for me he is the steel we need in the midfield and always gives 100%. Tough tacking midfeilder for 1 million or what ever they got him for they will get a good 2-3 seasons out of him. A team with Scott Parker in the side is one that will be hard to break down that's for sure. Credit Fulham for getting him Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 See link below. Clear as mud innit http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim64115.htm "In the English Football League, transfers between clubs entail the new club paying the League a levy of five per cent of the transfer fee. Signing-on fees are payable to the player at the discretion of the new club and will normally have been agreed between the player and the new club during transfer negotiations. The signing-on fee payable to the player is stated in the contract and is normally payable by equal instalments over the period of the contract, which may sometimes include the period over which there is an option to extend the contract. Where the player is subsequently transferred at the request of his club, any unpaid instalments of the earlier signing-on fee are payable immediately. But where the player requests a transfer he forfeits any such unpaid instalments unless the management committee is satisfied that his transfer request was made on reasonable grounds. Instalments of signing-on fees are chargeable to tax on receipt." So my original statement stands. The math is wrong. If we get more than 15 mil from one of the players, why would we have to sell the other to fund the transfer? Its the NEW club that pays the league the levy of 5% I'm sure that the spend is deducted from the income which means no taxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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