Bill Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I hope to fook he stays at Wigan, he's another Joe Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 He's a more mobile, less injury-prone Darron Gibson for me, just 22 as well. He'd be very welcome, but not for silly money (£10m). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 To be honest, if we are still interested in Fer (and we better be... have you seen him at the U21s?), I'd rather spend the 8mil or so on him than the extra few on McCarthy. McCarthy can pass, sure. Fer is physical, has pace, can pass, and scores goals. Looks a better player for a good deal less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 To be honest, if we are still interested in Fer (and we better be... have you seen him at the U21s?), I'd rather spend the 8mil or so on him than the extra few on McCarthy. McCarthy can pass, sure. Fer is physical, has pace, can pass, and scores goals. Looks a better player for a good deal less money. Spot on mate, I would like eithier of them to be honest but I wouldnt spend anymore than £5-8 million on Mccarthy. Fer seems like a better player anyway. SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I hope to fook he stays at Wigan, he's another Joe Allen. That's a huge injustice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I hope to fook he stays at Wigan, he's another Joe Allen. Have a look at his tackling stats, deffo not a Joe Allen. He is a bigger,faster stronger player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'd rather have McCarthy than Fer. I liked Fer as a Moyes signing: big and powerful guy to run box-to-box. He would have fit in what we did. Martinez will likely set out to play a different way. We don't know what formation he will look to set up in, but we can assume it will be one with an intent to pass it along the deck, which McCarthy would fit much better. If we play 4-3-3 with one holding midfielder, a 'left midfielder' and a 'right midfielder' (which I sorta hope we'll do) he could play any of the positions in the midfield triangle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 We are short on defensive qualities in midfield, and if Fellaini goes, we will be woefully short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Am I missing something about Fer? He failed a physical the last time around because of a potentially gammy knee. What's changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Am I missing something about Fer? He failed a physical the last time around because of a potentially gammy knee. What's changed? He did not fail a medical, the club picked up he potentially might have a glass knee so wanted to restructure payments so if his knee went we wouldnt have to pay the full fee etc. But he looks just fine to me from watching the Euro's under 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 He's a more mobile, less injury-prone Darron Gibson for me, just 22 as well. He'd be very welcome, but not for silly money (£10m). Yeh I agree, although I would also add that he is much better defensively. For the right price he would be a very good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vranny Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'm not sure where McCarthy fits into our team as it stands tbh. He seems a bit too similar to Gibson, albeit with quite a bit more pace, to play in a deeper midfield role. And I'd rather develop Barkley, with assistance from Osman, in an advanced midfield role. Looks a good little player for whoever he ends up at though and looks ready to take the next step in his development at a bigger club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'd rather have McCarthy than Fer. I liked Fer as a Moyes signing: big and powerful guy to run box-to-box. He would have fit in what we did. Martinez will likely set out to play a different way. We don't know what formation he will look to set up in, but we can assume it will be one with an intent to pass it along the deck, which McCarthy would fit much better. If we play 4-3-3 with one holding midfielder, a 'left midfielder' and a 'right midfielder' (which I sorta hope we'll do) he could play any of the positions in the midfield triangle. Martinez did have Diame at Wigan remember! i dont think he is averse to a battling box to box midfielder, in fact, losing him was probably one factor in them going down, they missed his mobility and steel. Steve_E and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'm not sure where McCarthy fits into our team as it stands tbh. He seems a bit too similar to Gibson, albeit with quite a bit more pace, to play in a deeper midfield role. And I'd rather develop Barkley, with assistance from Osman, in an advanced midfield role. Looks a good little player for whoever he ends up at though and looks ready to take the next step in his development at a bigger club. McCarthy could play in the middle with Gibson and Fellaini. No reason why three intelligent footballers couldn't work it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vranny Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 McCarthy could play in the middle with Gibson and Fellaini. No reason why three intelligent footballers couldn't work it all out. It's just going to hinder Barkley's development though. I reckon young Ross would be more suited than McCarthy to the advanced position anyone would have to play next to Fellaini and Gibson too. Money can be better spent else where IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 It's just going to hinder Barkley's development though. I reckon young Ross would be more suited than McCarthy to the advanced position anyone would have to play next to Fellaini and Gibson too. Money can be better spent else where IMO. McCarthy is a box to box midfielder the same as Gibson. For me they would make a tremendous pairing, Barkley is an attacking midfielder who should be played in an advanced position (like Maloney is for Wigan). I think it's pretty much odds on that Fellaini will not be here at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 I just think the asking price for McCarthy is going to be way out of our budget. Quinn31, patto and Iamryanstover 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfers-james-mccarthys-move-2052191 The Mirror seem to think we've bid £12m for James McCarthy, which is £8m short of Wigan's valuation of the player according to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 The amount of leaks out of that club is extraordinary. Ever since Martinez was appointed, every single signing has been in the paper before it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 The amount of leaks out of that club is extraordinary. Ever since Martinez was appointed, every single signing has been in the paper before it happened. It's unprofessional and a total disregard for the privacy of our clubs business, not to mention a lack of respect for their ex manager. 20m is a joke. It might be different if he was a goal machine but he is only just in front of Hibbert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 I would love McCarthy here, but 20m surely has to be a joke? I would think that a recently relegated club would jump at 12m if that was offered. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Don't know how people can think £12 mil is excessive for McCarthy, but are offended by the same amount for Baines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Don't know how people can think £12 mil is excessive for McCarthy, but are offended by the same amount for Baines. McCarthy is a talented central midfielder, there's plenty of talented central midfielders in the world. Baines is the best left back in the league, there are very few left backs (or right backs for that matter) who are anything more than "capable of doing a job". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Don't know how people can think £12 mil is excessive for McCarthy, but are offended by the same amount for Baines. have you changed from pienaar wum to baines wum? fuck me Blue 250 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 How many great teams are built around a great left back? Sell him to bring in a midfielder that will help us take a step closer to Europe. Think Moneyball, yes Baines is great going forward, but defensively we conceded the majority of goals from his side. We could get a cheaper left back who is better defensively and bring in a young midfielder who could make up for Baines' assists and also further the team, helping spread the flow of football across the park rather than be one dimensional. Keeping Baines is purely an emotional, Everton will be cutting their nose off to spite the face. Short run - we improve thanks to a better midfield. Long run - the cycle continues, we sell the midfielder and target which ever area is weakest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 How many great teams are built around a great left back? Not many because they don't have a left-back as good as Leighton Baines. marcopaulo, Matt and Steve_E 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 I'd love McCarthy here, I've said it often enough, but not for £20million. I'd rather look abroad if that's how much he'd cost. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Don't know how people can think £12 mil is excessive for McCarthy, but are offended by the same amount for Baines. seriously, can't see why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 seriously, can't see why? McCarthy is younger and plays in a harder position and maintain (or increase in) value. How is Baines worth more? If Baines wasn't already here and Everton had £15 mil left in the kitty would you rather the club bought Baines or some one to fill in a key position midfielder or striker and has sell on value? Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 But dont you see that is just the point? There are many midfileders around that you can buy for your team that will add to the quality of your first team. The trick is to find players in other positions that can add quality too. thats how you build a good team. We have a left back that actually adds quality and offensice power....that is why Baines is worth so much money. There are simply no others for under 20 m that can replace a player of his quality, yet there are a hundred players if you look arouynd that can do a great job in midfield for you. Midfiled is not a nharder position than left back....just a different position. If we were weak in the left back position then i am sure we would all be screaming out to strengthen that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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