adziom Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) I doubt anyone here saw or heard anything about it last night between giggles at United's demise in the Champions League, but the Dinamo Zagreb - Lyon game last night is under investigation over a potential match fixing probe. Going into the game, Lyon needed to beat Zagreb, and Ajax had to lose to Real Madrid, with a 7 goal swing in Lyon's favour for them to qualify at Ajax's expense. Zagreb were leading 1-0 until just before half-time when Lyon equalised, and by the 75th minute, Lyon had scored a further 6 goals. Meanwhile, Ajax had two goals disallowed in a 3-0 defeat to Real Madrid. Adding fuel to the fire, a Dutch TV channel caught an incident on camera where a Zagreb defender - Domagoj Vida - appeared to wink and give a thumbs up to Lyon striker Gomis after Lisandro Lopez scored their 5th goal of the game. Article: http://news.yahoo.co...-112407927.html Goals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAq7PE6RVYM The Wink: If this was in any way suspicious, which unfortunately seems to be the case, then all I can say is, unbelievable. EDIT: The Zagreb manager was also sacked immediately after the match. Edited December 8, 2011 by adziom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 was collina refereeing the game by any chance? Just ban every player involved for 2 years, fine them the approriate wages too - simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 But why would they? What would Zagreb get out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 What would Zagreb get out of it? Money? They had no chance of qualifying anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 But do you not think that's a tad risky given the obvious way in which it was dealt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 But do you not think that's a tad risky given the obvious way in which it was dealt? I don't think it happened....just theorising . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adziom Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385422_10150443215494710_759174709_8005411_1191243070_n.jpg Anyone itching to get the tin hat on, here's a photo of the winking defender leaving the bookies yesterday... Apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Verrrrrry interesting....so who do we think knew about it, everyone on the team? the coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Unfortunately with the case of the India no bowls, John Higgins etc etc nothing surprises me any more. The punishments need to be extremely firm if proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 If it was a fix why make it so obvious? Why go 1-0 up? Just lose 6-0, three goals a half evenly spaced would be much less suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 If it was a fix why make it so obvious? Why go 1-0 up? Just lose 6-0, three goals a half evenly spaced would be much less suspicious. maybe deal was made at half-time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 maybe deal was made at half-time? How does that fit in with the pics of the bloke going into the bookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why would somebody be taking pics of the defender entering / exiting a bookies? Isn't it all a bit convenient? To lose 1-0 or 3-1 I could understand, but lose / win 7-1? A bit on the 'extreme' side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 I doubt anyone here saw or heard anything about it last night between giggles at United's demise in the Champions League, but the Dinamo Zagreb - Lyon game last night is under investigation over a potential match fixing probe. Going into the game, Lyon needed to beat Zagreb, and Ajax had to lose to Real Madrid, with a 7 goal swing in Lyon's favour for them to qualify at Ajax's expense. Zagreb were leading 1-0 until just before half-time when Lyon equalised, and by the 75th minute, Lyon had scored a further 6 goals. Meanwhile, Ajax had two goals disallowed in a 3-0 defeat to Real Madrid. Adding fuel to the fire, a Dutch TV channel caught an incident on camera where a Zagreb defender - Domagoj Vida - appeared to wink and give a thumbs up to Lyon striker Gomis after Lisandro Lopez scored their 5th goal of the game. Article: http://news.yahoo.co...-112407927.html Goals: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QAq7PE6RVYM The Wink: If this was in any way suspicious, which unfortunately seems to be the case, then all I can say is, unbelievable. EDIT: The Zagreb manager was also sacked immediately after the match. Why is the video reversed? 1st goal - Defenders look half arsed, but keeper is outstanding. 2nd goal - Deflection sends ball over keeper. You can't fake that. 3rd goal - Bounces in net off knee. Definitely legitimate goal. (2-1) 4th goal - Awful defending - Possible fake. (3-1) 5th goal - Lazy defending. Decent goal, but no real celebration by Lyon. Iffy as to whether offside. (4-1) Guy appears to wink. 6th goal - Perfectly weighted pass - good goal. (5-1) 7th goal - Wonderful goal. Can't see how you can fake that. (6-1) 8th goal - Great goal again, but why no pile of players on floor celebrating? (7-1) Verdict: Great goals, but lack of emotion. Bit strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 How does that fit in with the pics of the bloke going into the bookie? Maybe hes the mastermind! WE SOLVED IT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why is the video reversed? 1st goal - Defenders look half arsed, but keeper is outstanding. 2nd goal - Deflection sends ball over keeper. You can't fake that. 3rd goal - Bounces in net off knee. Definitely legitimate goal. (2-1) 4th goal - Awful defending - Possible fake. (3-1) 5th goal - Lazy defending. Decent goal, but no real celebration by Lyon. Iffy as to whether offside. (4-1) Guy appears to wink. 6th goal - Perfectly weighted pass - good goal. (5-1) 7th goal - Wonderful goal. Can't see how you can fake that. (6-1) 8th goal - Great goal again, but why no pile of players on floor celebrating? (7-1) Verdict: Great goals, but lack of emotion. Bit strange. agree with all of this. i reallyhope its nothing suspect, was a great game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adziom Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why would somebody be taking pics of the defender entering / exiting a bookies? Isn't it all a bit convenient? To lose 1-0 or 3-1 I could understand, but lose / win 7-1? A bit on the 'extreme' side? I don't buy the photo really. There's no proof that its even him, that it was just before the game, or that the betting slip has anything to do with the game or the group. The half-time deal theory is understandable given the poor defending for the 6 goals afterwards, but it's impossible to tell from a video of just the goals whether Zagreb played worse in the second half or Lyon just pulled their fingers out of their arses. I didn't watch the game so I don't know. The video is reversed because I believe it somehow helps copyright breach slide under the radar, otherwise the video gets removed. Just thought it would make for some interesting debate, I hope there's nothing untoward here but it was very unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 They've also lost 4-0 and 6-2 in the same group. It was their clubs worst defeat in their history apparently. Cheers for the heads up regarding the reversed screen btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 There defending seems to be very static, if thats how they defend corners ect. in other games il be surprised that they made the champs league. Has got to be fixed. But, maybe they'd probs say the same of the last manchester derby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-championsleague-investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I feel genuine sympathy for Amsterdam going out like that , maybe there was something fishy going on, always seems the way with soccer just lately, but I think on this occasion I can't read too much into it, or maybe there really was something going on, I really can't be sure All I know is, Ajax had a decent chance to go a long way this season, and it can only be a matter of time with the fine youth set up they always have and a decent side with it, to once again be Champions of Europe for the first time since '95, I remember now there was similar controversy a few years ago when they lost to AC Milan at a later stage, and the Italians went on to win it Maybe Ferguson too, will call it a day next summer with United out, he wants desperately to overhaul the Shite's 'Five' (or four and a half) european cup wins, and now that opportunity has gone, it's another years wait, and the ned nosed one knows age is not on his side and he can't go on forever. I wasn't too bothered about their exit actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I was gutted about Utd and City going out, if it happens again we loose our 4th place for champions league, meaning only 4th placed is allowed in the Europa league if any of the top 3 win the league and FA cups. Perhaps someone can tell me if different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I was gutted about Utd and City going out, if it happens again we loose our 4th place for champions league, meaning only 4th placed is allowed in the Europa league if any of the top 3 win the league and FA cups. Perhaps someone can tell me if different. Don't know the exact details of how many teams get to qualify but the rankings are worked out over a period of five years and currently we're top with only Spain anywhere near. No danger of us losing a place in the foreseeable future I don't think. http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2011.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 I was gutted about Utd and City going out, if it happens again we loose our 4th place for champions league, meaning only 4th placed is allowed in the Europa league if any of the top 3 win the league and FA cups. Perhaps someone can tell me if different. If anythink we'll get an extra place.. depending wether Liverpool finish 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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