MikeO Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Is this kenwright saying "I did try and get you a stadium but you didn't want it, sorry now aren't ya!" I think it was Louis contemplating a hypothetical dilemna from a personal perspective . Kenwright didn't refer to Kirkby once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I think it was Louis contemplating a hypothetical dilemna from a personal perspective . Kenwright didn't refer to Kirkby once. Kenwright did say that Mansoor may have been interested if we had stadium plan in place... personally I don't buy that, his wealth is ridiculous, he would acquire a site and you would have a stadium built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 http://gickr.com/results4/anim_1da7a7f6-89d7-0f94-19ac-ecb6dd6be6ad.gif Our January transfer war chest is sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 http://gickr.com/res...cb6dd6be6ad.gif Our January transfer war chest is sorted! Only the third time that's been posted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Kenwright did say that Mansoor may have been interested if we had stadium plan in place... personally I don't buy that, his wealth is ridiculous, he would acquire a site and you would have a stadium built. wealth is earned by being sensible with money, 400m extra to buy a stadium on top off what he would have spent on players (say 400m for arguments sake because thats roughly what Citeh have spent) and with wages he would be pushing a 1 billion spend without return (if you include wages etc). Without the new stadium he wouldve spent around 500-600m (again including wages etc) like he has. Biiiiiig difference in money spent, regardless of him being a billionaire or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Biiiiiig difference in money spent, regardless of him being a billionaire or not. Trillionaire to be pedantic about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Trillionaire to be pedantic about it . even so, 400m extra to spend is a lot of money to anyone, especially a business man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 even so, 400m extra to spend is a lot of money to anyone, especially a business man! The stadium spend would add to the valuation of the club. Even then, £400m as a representation of his wealth - estimated at £20billion is 0.73% - or put in other words, would you quibble about spending £145 on home inmprovements if you had £20,000 in the bank? Business decisions? He is an oil man, when the price of a barrell goes up by $1, it increases revenue in abu dhabi by $500m a day - it's not like he running a chain of hairdressers. He is riding the wave of one the most important commodities in the world. In short he is filthy rich, to the point that in terms of risk analysis, he needen't apply it to his hobby. Let's face it - "a hobby" that's what it is. In relevance to his wealth, owning a football club and buying a stadium for it is no different to you or I playing golf and buying a pack of Pro V1 golf balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 The stadium spend would add to the valuation of the club. Even then, £400m as a representation of his wealth - estimated at £20billion is 0.73% - or put in other words, would you quibble about spending £145 on home inmprovements if you had £20,000 in the bank? Business decisions? He is an oil man, when the price of a barrell goes up by $1, it increases revenue in abu dhabi by $500m a day - it's not like he running a chain of hairdressers. He is riding the wave of one the most important commodities in the world. In short he is filthy rich, to the point that in terms of risk analysis, he needen't apply it to his hobby. Let's face it - "a hobby" that's what it is. In relevance to his wealth, owning a football club and buying a stadium for it is no different to you or I playing golf and buying a pack of Pro V1 golf balls. let me ask you this then. If you had his money and had the choice of spending an additional 400m or not, when you have no allegiance to any club, what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 let me ask you this then. If you had his money and had the choice of spending an additional 400m or not, when you have no allegiance to any club, what would you do? I would choose the club with the best manager, existing talent, pipelined talent, and fanbase. As I have said, the £400m would be an investment and realised if and when the resale of the club happened. So on the basis of that Everton. At the time of his purchase we were arguably 4 top class players away from certain Top 4 champions league qualification. We had the option to buy Finch farm, which would be like popping out to buy a loaf for him. City do not own the Etihad at present and are looking to buy it off the council - so in effect they do need to spend money to acquire their own stadium, putting them in a similar financial situation. I would argue that if he bought Everton, the council would welcome him with open arms and give him a site that would allow him to regenerate an area with excellent transport links etc. So in answer to your question, Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He should have bought United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He should have bought United. a slightly frightening thought, that said, how sick would it have made Liverpool fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 It was just a thought. But I had that sort of money, and wanted a club with a big fan base and big stadium and big players, and i had no emotional attachment to a club, it would have to be united. OK you would probably need £1bn to buy them, but if you put that money out there and they are run debt free, you could make huge profit and still spend on players, not have to build anything up, not have to push to get to the next level. Instead of making City compete with the big boys, you could try to make united take over barca. if fergie had £400m to spend on players, i could only imagine the team he would end up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 It was just a thought. But I had that sort of money, and wanted a club with a big fan base and big stadium and big players, and i had no emotional attachment to a club, it would have to be united. OK you would probably need £1bn to buy them, but if you put that money out there and they are run debt free, you could make huge profit and still spend on players, not have to build anything up, not have to push to get to the next level. Instead of making City compete with the big boys, you could try to make united take over barca. if fergie had £400m to spend on players, i could only imagine the team he would end up with. Probably use F.C United as a B team also. Buy quality young players and "loan" them out to them till they are ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 as if by magic a national journalist poses the same question regarding mansour and the stadium argument offered by Kenwright http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/david-anderson/Why-have-Everton-remained-unsold-when-so-many-other-clubs-have-changed-hands-article810080.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 If I had as much money as he did, I would look to design and create my own stadium to be honest. If he is going to the trouble of redeveloping and improving the whole area with training grounds etc I dont think he would have been put off too much with having to build a new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He's already building two new stadiums as part of the training ground! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Which again brings me to the whiff of more bill kenwright fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 I like Bill and I support all he has done for the club. However even I am starting to wonder what the hell is going on with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 this is all pointless debate because im going to win the Euromillions and buy Everton at the weekend anyway.... http://www.metro.co....d#ixzz1aY717abw Knob . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 http://www.metro.co....d#ixzz1aY717abw Knob . Take a chunk out of his winnings buying that parrot mouthed, corner taking, free kick taking, penalty taking, not needing to do much defending, overrated, fat bloater a lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Take a chunk out of his winnings buying that parrot mouthed, corner taking, free kick taking, penalty taking, not needing to do much defending, overrated, fat bloater a lunch. jealous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 never understood the whole fat frank thing if i'm honest..was he a chubby kid or summat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 wasnt he photgraphed in the summer on year on the beach with a bit of chub? ive always rated him very highly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 never understood the whole fat frank thing if i'm honest..was he a chubby kid or summat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Truth's in the puddin' (inside his belly) ahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Marco - The real reason (and real pictures of Frank Lampard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 jealous? Just don't like over rated players, he is the epitomy of over rated for me. Reminds me of the golden boys in the school team who you knew you had so much more ability than, but they were played no matter what and had the temerity to takes all dead balls even though there were better equipped players to do it. The ones who the P.E teachers loved. Can't help but think he has had the need to be the best (due to his dad) and that need has pushed him further than he would ever have gone based on natural talent (fair play I suppose) I haven't got a chip on my shoulder about it, it's just frustrating for me to see a midfielder achieve so much in statistical WOW without ever doing much in terms of being a complete player. If he had to play in a two man central role like Parker did for west ham you wouldn't see him. Strikes a mean ball with his right peg and that's about it, other than that he represents all that is wrong with footbvalling cliques with his mate JT, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Just don't like over rated players, he is the epitomy of over rated for me. Reminds me of the golden boys in the school team who you knew you had so much more ability than, but they were played no matter what and had the temerity to takes all dead balls even though there were better equipped players to do it. The ones who the P.E teachers loved. Can't help but think he has had the need to be the best (due to his dad) and that need has pushed him further than he would ever have gone based on natural talent (fair play I suppose) I haven't got a chip on my shoulder about it, it's just frustrating for me to see a midfielder achieve so much in statistical WOW without ever doing much in terms of being a complete player. If he had to play in a two man central role like Parker did for west ham you wouldn't see him. Strikes a mean ball with his right peg and that's about it, other than that he represents all that is wrong with footbvalling cliques with his mate JT, Hardly see him give the ball away, drops back and takes the ball off the defenders, good in the air, good first touch, intelligent, athletic, '' get's a foot in'', always in or around the box on the attack, fluid in his passing, defensive heading ability, attacking heading ability. And yeah I think he still has a lot to offer. Steve G and him would have worked if a defensive player was to be used in a midfield of three for England. In my opinion, and I stress it's only an opinion, one of the '' complete'' players England have produced in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hardly see him give the ball away, drops back and takes the ball off the defenders, good in the air, good first touch, intelligent, athletic, '' get's a foot in'', always in or around the box on the attack, fluid in his passing, defensive heading ability, attacking heading ability. And yeah I think he still has a lot to offer. Steve G and him would have worked if a defensive player was to be used in a midfield of three for England. In my opinion, and I stress it's only an opinion, one of the '' complete'' players England have produced in years. You state those attributes and I'm scratching my head. Good in the air? Useless more like! He's like the spruce goose. Good first touch? Not even going there, unless he's at berbatov, silva, Rooney level then all he has is standard and at premiership level don't even mention it. His tackling is poor, ask alonso. Athleticism? He plays with a bungee string attached to the opponents goal post. Take it from me, one of the most fortunate players I've seen. Intelligence - yes, he managed to pull it off. Watch him in a two man midfield, non existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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