Adam Partington Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 from the The Peoples Group FB = "BLUE UNION PUBLIC MEETING, AT THE CASA, ON HOPE STREET. SATURDAY FROM MIDDAY. SEE YOU THERE." Anyone going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalewoodBlue Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 from the The Peoples Group FB = "BLUE UNION PUBLIC MEETING, AT THE CASA, ON HOPE STREET. SATURDAY FROM MIDDAY. SEE YOU THERE." Anyone going? Why would anyone go? They havent got anything to say except the usual moaning about the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Derek Hatton (@DegsyHatton) 31/08/2011 23:22 Just for the record, the reason why I set up the meetings with Kenwright and Elstone was because I do believe we need new owners with money. Derek Hatton (@DegsyHatton) 31/08/2011 23:09 Sad sad day to be an evertonian!! A move towards change is now critical. Blimey.... I don't get that at all. He followed the first tweet with "sad sad day"....before he sent the other one? Timing issue here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hatton has changed his tune a bit. dont like the bloke anyway. ten, i think its just his copy and paste the wrong way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Why doesn't Hatton stick to what he's good at? That should be enough to keep you all quiet for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I cant actually think what hes good at, its hurting my head thinking he could be useful somewhere in the world! There are kids starving in Africa, he could help them, they could eat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I cant actually think what hes good at, its hurting my head thinking he could be useful somewhere in the world! There are kids starving in Africa, he could help them, they could eat him. lmao Shit, that made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 http://www.itv.com/granada/transfer-round-up81648/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalewoodBlue Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Fucking hell who keeps letting that media whore back on tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Fucking hell who keeps letting that media whore back on tv Seem to be getting a bit of air time don't they??? Strange that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 dont worry haf, that snow ball in the distance might be getting closer, got a while yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 dont worry haf, that snow ball in the distance might be getting closer, got a while yet. In the meantime the fans can hurl painful mud bombs at each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 there's a tidy lass who sit's near me i wouldn't mind havin a mud fight with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 http://www.itv.com/g...-round-up81648/ Why are they so 'angry' and why do they need to question the board? I'm confused!? He's sold, get over it. Didn't see Villa fans wanting to demonstrate to their board when Downing and Young were sold, or Wigan when N'Zogbia was sold, or Arsenal when Nasri and Fabregas were sold...shit happens. It's a transfer window, you'll either get some in or lose some out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 http://www.itv.com/g...-round-up81648/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalewoodBlue Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Seem to be getting a bit of air time don't they??? Strange that. Am glad he is getting air time, he comes across as a tosser every time he is on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Villa fans demo'd. Player sales and Mcleish coming in. It does look like they are pilling excuses on, they should just stick to the same reasons they had before, keep fighting for them ones. I am with them for being angry, not about this sale in particular, just the years of mismanagment that has made us like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) Why are they so 'angry' and why do they need to question the board? I'm confused!? He's sold, get over it. Didn't see Villa fans wanting to demonstrate to their board when Downing and Young were sold, or Wigan when N'Zogbia was sold, or Arsenal when Nasri and Fabregas were sold...shit happens. It's a transfer window, you'll either get some in or lose some out. Some fans only see sales and non purchases as something to react to. Only when they see a player they loved sold do they pay attention to our plight. Same mentality to the people who draw £100 out of the cash machines repeatedly, ignore the balance and only get irritated when their card is rejected in front of people in asda. The blue union are using the sale of Arteta to get the numbers behind them. Some are not that short sighted, the sale of arteta is merely a symptom of the state of the club, not the actual problem. I am ok with the sale, absolutely, it's the circumstances that led to the sale and the usual nonsense that has come out after it that is a problem... Edited September 2, 2011 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Some fans only see sales and non purchases as something to react to. Only when they see a player they loved sold do they pay attention to our plight. Same mentality to the people who draw £100 out of the cash machines repeatedly, ignore the balance and only get irritated when their card is rejected in front of people in asda. The blue union are using the sale of Arteta to get the numbers behind them. Some are not that short sighted, the sale of arteta is merely a symptom of the state of the club, not the actual problem. I am ok with the sale, absolutely, it's the circumstances that led to the sale and the usual nonsense that has come out after it that is a problem... what, that he wanted to leave when he heard a champions league club were after him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Villa fans demo'd. Player sales and Mcleish coming in. It does look like they are pilling excuses on, they should just stick to the same reasons they had before, keep fighting for them ones. I am with them for being angry, not about this sale in particular, just the years of mismanagment that has made us like this. Thats my opinion too, stick to what they're known for and try not to get lost in the moment by blaming the board if a bottle of pop goes up 20p at the bars. Some fans only see sales and non purchases as something to react to. Only when they see a player they loved sold do they pay attention to our plight. Same mentality to the people who draw £100 out of the cash machines repeatedly, ignore the balance and only get irritated when their card is rejected in front of people in asda. The blue union are using the sale of Arteta to get the numbers behind them. Some are not that short sighted, the sale of arteta is merely a symptom of the state of the club, not the actual problem. I am ok with the sale, absolutely, it's the circumstances that led to the sale and the usual nonsense that has come out after it that is a problem... Thats fair enough. I just feel that if the deal had have been done two weeks ago (for example), and DM was actually given the whole lot, would they have said anything? i know he isn't going to be given the whole lot come January, but i fear slating the board for something that happened so quickly and so late on, isn't worth moaning about. We just don't know what would have happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 what, that he wanted to leave when he heard a champions league club were after him? Yep, we are a good club like that, whereas Spurs are just nasty pasties who keep players like the £40m Modric against their will on 4 year contracts... we were just unlucky that it happened just before the deadline and Moutinho couldn't be flown in. It had nothing to do with the fact that the £10m has gone to appease the bank manager - clearly outlined by Kenwright and Moyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Yep, we are a good club like that, whereas Spurs are just nasty pasties who keep players like the £40m Modric against their will on 4 year contracts... we were just unlucky that it happened just before the deadline and Moutinho couldn't be flown in. It had nothing to do with the fact that the £10m has gone to appease the bank manager - clearly outlined by Kenwright and Moyes. You mean after they refused the inital offer and then the player asked to leave? And that Moyes will (supposedly, will believe it when i see it!) get money in January? Sorry, but there is no basis to blame the board for this at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 matt i think he means more the long term effect of the board getting us into a position where a key player wants to leave for CL and where we could really do with the money for a bit of breathing space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 matt i think he means more the long term effect of the board getting us into a position where a key player wants to leave for CL and where we could really do with the money for a bit of breathing space. how did the board do this? The players didnt play well enough to get into the CL places. This is another thread im going to have to leave alone otherwise i will be going around in circles again and im bored of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 It was Moyes decision to sell - 100% believe that, Arteta's request IMO would have played very little part in the process, he is a true pro and isnt the type of player to sulk etc, he loves Everton, that I have no doubt. The factors involved in that decision would be the £1.2m salary save from now until Jan, the fact he would go for even less in Jan. The fact that we have no money to spend on players etc etc. The overriding theme here is that we are a club in serious financial trouble - do we blame moyes, arteta, the fans or anyone else for that? Maybe understanding the £24M operating costs may help us to identify where money is leaking to? A times journalist tweeted that Everton is a club whose accounts need scrutiny - I should coco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 i mean the decline from a few years back where we were challenging, but due to our poor finances we have been over taken by the likes of villa and spurs. i agree the players havent played well enough, but we have been unable to strengthen the team up when we were on the fringes of success. i think if we were challenging for europa league last season then players would want to help push us on. only my opinion though matt, im very often wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 It was Moyes decision to sell - 100% believe that, Arteta's request IMO would have played very little part in the process, he is a true pro and isnt the type of player to sulk etc, he loves Everton, that I have no doubt. The factors involved in that decision would be the £1.2m salary save from now until Jan, the fact he would go for even less in Jan. The fact that we have no money to spend on players etc etc. The overriding theme here is that we are a club in serious financial trouble - do we blame moyes, arteta, the fans or anyone else for that? Maybe understanding the £24M operating costs may help us to identify where money is leaking to? A times journalist tweeted that Everton is a club whose accounts need scrutiny - I should coco Haf, point 1, don't be so blinded or Naive. Even if he was a 'true pro', i'd expect a 'true pro' to have some ambition, and seeing as he's getting a little older, will take any opportunity or chance to play at the highest level. To say it was against his will is silly. Haf, point 2, stop repeating this in every thread. We understand. Don't keep manipulating it into every scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 how did the board do this? The players didnt play well enough to get into the CL places. This is another thread im going to have to leave alone otherwise i will be going around in circles again and im bored of it. Interesting point you raised there Matt, champions league. We did qualify for that a few years back, one game away from securing a £20m jackpot - the compound benefits of which could have turned our fortunes fantastically. Did Moyes receive any backing to have a real go at them? Missed opportunity for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTK Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Interesting point you raised there Matt, champions league. We did qualify for that a few years back, one game away from securing a £20m jackpot - the compound benefits of which could have turned our fortunes fantastically. Did Moyes receive any backing to have a real go at them? Missed opportunity for me. Could also have been a disaster. Bill's problem is that he can't put the cash together to have a real go at breaking the top 4 on a permanent basis but he won't accept that he shouldn't try. Consequently he's spent years making a loss & building up debts chasing something that was never achievable for the money he's thrown at it. As a result, we're now close to financial disaster. If he'd spent that time building up money-making resources like a stadium or finding a buyer then we wouldn't be in the shit now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Haf, point 1, don't be so blinded or Naive. Even if he was a 'true pro', i'd expect a 'true pro' to have some ambition, and seeing as he's getting a little older, will take any opportunity or chance to play at the highest level. To say it was against his will is silly. Haf, point 2, stop repeating this in every thread. We understand. Don't keep manipulating it into every scenario. Point 1 - not naive nor blinded J, it was a business decision - and one that was agreed by Moyes. Did I not make that clear? He was on a long term contract - or do we just give £15m+ deals to players on the understanding that when they decide to be ambitous we will sell them? Point 2 - whilst a £24m "unconfirmed" operating cost is a major factor in our finances and relevant to the blue union thread I will repeat it as I find appropriate. Is it inadmissable? or does it put you in a bad place that makes you uncomfortable? It's not being manipulated - you maybe would prefer it to be ignored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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