Hafnia Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Well it's one excuse less as to why moyes can't play Barkley, and one way of guaranteeing we will get a decent price for a top talent. Seriously hope it doesn't come to him being sold, can't handle the heartache, buying and selling I can deal with, not everton born bred trained world class talent wearing another shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Didn't even make the bench today, which I found strange because Rodwell was clearly named on the bench just to make up the numbers because he didn't warm up during half time or at any point during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Relief from my corner, so glad he committed. Ross will be a full starter next year, and it'll be the year he's asked to make the CM position his own. We forget it is still his first year at full squad level, small introductions would do no harm, he'll get more games come the end of the season, guaranteed and hopefully as i say, he'll be the starter we all hope and wish for him to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I'd like to see him playing somewhere from January, weather it's at Everton or on loan at another club I don't know but he needs to get competetive games. A championship loan would be brilliant for him even if it was like Duffy's and just on a month by month contract meaning we can get him back easily. I think it would really help his game as reserve games just don't provide the same level of preparation for entering the Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'd like to see him playing somewhere from January, weather it's at Everton or on loan at another club I don't know but he needs to get competetive games. A championship loan would be brilliant for him even if it was like Duffy's and just on a month by month contract meaning we can get him back easily. I think it would really help his game as reserve games just don't provide the same level of preparation for entering the Premiership. While I agree its important for youngsters to be getting games (which I think probably hindered Rodwells development) I think Championship level would be too low for Ross. There are plenty of teams scrapping to get out of the relegation places in the Prem that would surely take him on and he will learn a lot more having to really fight and dig in for every point than he will playing for an average or even decent Champ side. You could even argue that Ross should have a decent shout of starting some of our games given the form of some of them! One thing that impresses me about SAF is that he always gets his good youngsters away on loan at a decent club for a season. The likes of Welbeck & Cleverly would have learnt so much last season while not being under the spotlight and they both started this season brilliantly before getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 While I agree its important for youngsters to be getting games (which I think probably hindered Rodwells development) I think Championship level would be too low for Ross. There are plenty of teams scrapping to get out of the relegation places in the Prem that would surely take him on and he will learn a lot more having to really fight and dig in for every point than he will playing for an average or even decent Champ side. You could even argue that Ross should have a decent shout of starting some of our games given the form of some of them! One thing that impresses me about SAF is that he always gets his good youngsters away on loan at a decent club for a season. The likes of Welbeck & Cleverly would have learnt so much last season while not being under the spotlight and they both started this season brilliantly before getting injured. Yeah, us if we are careful lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2012/02/29/trevor-brooking-hails-brilliant-everton-youngster-ross-barkley-100252-30430192/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/06/everton-ross-barkley-david-moyes Cue more anti Moyes/Neville/BK/Cahill/Tea Lady/ Never give youth a chance hysteria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalziel Kane Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Moyes Neville Kenwright Cahill Tea Lady We never give youth a chance Why aren't penny sweets a penny anymore I'm getting hysteric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I really don't agree with what He say's at the end regardless of age or what stage of development you are at or even a fully fledged world class player can conceed a penalty, those words will do Ross no good to soley point the finger at him for nearly costing us the game. How many times have other players done the same thing or similar and cost us points only to play again week in week out!? He can be very contradicting at times.... No anti Moyes sentiment what so ever but the man really does spout some tripe at times and for Me it's a very poor choice of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 that says he conceded a penalty in his 3rd appearance...he went on to play 2 more games according to that? i thought he got taken out after that penalty and was never ever ever ever seen again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 that says he conceded a penalty in his 3rd appearance...he went on to play 2 more games according to that? i thought he got taken out after that penalty and was never ever ever ever seen again? That he wasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 that's the impression some gave around here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 He played against QPR - was man of ther match, played 76 minutes in the carling cup - then against Blackburn he must have given away 4 goals, missed 3 sitters, spat at the referee and called moyes a nasty name because since that game in August he has appeared for a total of 58 minutes in the league... I understand the need to protect youngsters - but in my opinion the lad has probably been given far too much food for though - how can he carry the can for an erratic 5 minutes when he sees seasoned pros make worse mistakes and continue to be selected. In my opinion he slipped of his bike, grazed his hands and Moyesy has locked the bike away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I too felt he should be given more game time but looking at him in the reserve game yesterday I wasn't so sure. He seemed a bit too non fussed, didn't get involved enough in the game and his movement and positioning wasn't all that great. I think it would really benefit him if we sent him out on loan to the end of the season if possible. With Osman, Rodwell & coleman all coming back his chances of getting game time are slim and are requirement even to fill out the bench isn't really there. I'm sure plenty of decent clubs would be keen to give him game time and he would be able to settle himself in to competitive football well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Is he now in a similar state to what Rodwell was? Came into the team, played great - then a little bit of messing around with his confidence has left him a shell of the player he was??? Let's be honest - if it can happen to a world class player like Torres it can happen to a kid - I would have just said, "you are playing every week even if you play bad - you are a great player, now get out there" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gy-blues Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Watched Barkley yesterday for the reserves and he was dire!! Looked like he couldn't be arsed to be honest. Think if he was good enough to start at the beginning of the season then he should be good enough to come on as sub since, even if Moyes is sparing him. There have been a fair few games this year when we have totally lacked any flair and he could have been used as an impact sub. Actually think Moyes was scared by the amount of attention he was getting saw him sold by the end of the season and used the first excuse to pull him out of the limelight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus jones Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Is he now in a similar state to what Rodwell was? Came into the team, played great - then a little bit of messing around with his confidence has left him a shell of the player he was??? Let's be honest - if it can happen to a world class player like Torres it can happen to a kid - I would have just said, "you are playing every week even if you play bad - you are a great player, now get out there" Ah, the time old question of does he need an arm around the shoulder or a kick up the jacksy! I don't think Moyes has the man management needed to make the correct decision. I don't either btw................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Quality finish against Newcastle a few months ago. I hope we see the lad feature in the 5 remaining games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) http://www.liverpool...99623-30789971/ I must admit, my opinions on the whole Barkley situation has changed somewhat over the last month or so. I think we all got a little carried away because undoubtedly the lad showed a lot of promise, but how many 18 year olds do you see playing week in-week out for established premier league teams? Rooney being the only one i can think of to date, and lets face it, he isnt as good as Rooney, but he can still be a quality player. We've seen with Gueye that he's starting to show what he is capable of and he is 21. So i for one, will hold my hands up and say how Moyes has managed Barkley was probably for the best. Edited April 20, 2012 by GoodisonRoad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 the moyes doesn't give youth a chance brigade aren't goin to like this :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Lets not get carried away. We have heard the "thinking about it" many times this year. But have to admit i am a bit more excited now i heard that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I wonder how bad he must have been since running the game against QPR in the prescence of arteta to have missed out whilst the likes of McFadden has had game time, not to mention ossie on the wing, an ineffective Cahill playing behind the striker, Neville in midfield, Magueye Gueye, Anichebe... all I can say is he must have reverted from potential world beater into a sunday league amateur. Maybe they were waiting for his lobotomy to come through to remove the grey matter that was instructing him to pick defense splitting passes and to have the odd shot. Sarcasm over, but i'm sorry, he could and should have warrented more time on the pitch than he has had - he has 9 players around him instructed to keep shape, defend, press etc etc, if it was me I would have said "right, out you go, do your thing, you are going to face obstacles, learnings and some highs and lows but get on with it" "we will work on some elements of your game that need brushing up on but they will come" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 http://www.liverpool...99623-30789971/ I must admit, my opinions on the whole Barkley situation has changed somewhat over the last month or so. I think we all got a little carried away because undoubtedly the lad showed a lot of promise, but how many 18 year olds do you see playing week in-week out for established premier league teams? Rooney being the only one i can think of to date, and lets face it, he isnt as good as Rooney, but he can still be a quality player. We've seen with Gueye that he's starting to show what he is capable of and he is 21. So i for one, will hold my hands up and say how Moyes has managed Barkley was probably for the best. I dont think people are saying he should start week in week out. I think the general theme is why have someone who is average at best (McFadden) on the bench and giving him game time when you could be nurturing someone who is probably as good as and have the potential for better. There are plenty of youngsters who have played on a fairly regular basis before they were 20 (fabregas, walcott, Chamberlain, Wilshere, Giggs, Jones, Ferdinand) and I cant help but think we should have been using him as an option ahead of some of the others (especially when they were coming back from injury or out of position). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I wonder how bad he must have been since running the game against QPR in the prescence of arteta to have missed out whilst the likes of McFadden has had game time, not to mention ossie on the wing, an ineffective Cahill playing behind the striker, Neville in midfield, Magueye Gueye, Anichebe... all I can say is he must have reverted from potential world beater into a sunday league amateur. Do you really think that Moyes is doubting his skill? He's probably just doing the right thing by easing him in gently after seeing what's happened to Rodwell. I'm quite happy he's done it this way, and I'm happy Ross has signed a new contract with the view to doing this. You can't just chuck 17/18 year olds on week in week out, one injury and they're not back up to scratch for a long time. Hope to see him this season with a few sub appearances though, I've not seen a massive amount of him yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Do you really think that Moyes is doubting his skill? He's probably just doing the right thing by easing him in gently after seeing what's happened to Rodwell. I'm quite happy he's done it this way, and I'm happy Ross has signed a new contract with the view to doing this. You can't just chuck 17/18 year olds on week in week out, one injury and they're not back up to scratch for a long time. Hope to see him this season with a few sub appearances though, I've not seen a massive amount of him yet. I think he's scared of it. Moyes like to give players a 101 instructions which will restrict Barkley. Needs more attacking people in the set up to make the most of Barkley, or at least one of Round or Stubbs to grow a pair and tell Moyes to just let him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I think he's scared of it. Moyes like to give players a 101 instructions which will restrict Barkley. Needs more attacking people in the set up to make the most of Barkley, or at least one of Round or Stubbs to grow a pair and tell Moyes to just let him play. Exactly this - Moyes is the epitomy of paralysis by analysis. Spontaneity is a rarity in our team because everything is "structured" There is no better sight in football than watching a lad in his sub 20's approaching the game like he is playing on the street with his mates - you get that rawness and ability that leaves seasoned old campaigners scratching their heads in bewilderment To coin a phrase of Micky in Rocky 3 - "The worst thing that happened to you, that can happen to any fighter: you got civilized" You don't become a better tennis player by continuing to beat players you are better than, you get better by losing against players who are performing better than you. If Moyes was planning "all along" to use him in April then why did he not send Barkley to somewhere like Reading on Loan with a recall factored in? Instead the lad has been played with fellow 18 year olds, when he had shown himself to be above Arteta in one game this season?! - Not a normal 18 year old is he, so why treat him like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 If Moyes was really concerned with Barkley's well-being and development then it's slightly confusing why he threw him in at the start of the season when we are notorious slow starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 He did well though, I remember Match of the Day doing a feature on him because he impressed the panel. After a few games into the season he was involved in an incident (I don't know the details) in the city centre (at the Odeon) and it may be coincidence, but he was told shortly after he had to play with the reserves/youth team until further notice because he missed out on development during his leg break and people at the club felt he needed time to round-off/mature as a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 He did well though, I remember Match of the Day doing a feature on him because he impressed the panel. No doubt about that, I was impressed with him too. It just seems strange to play him when we were likely to be pretty shite (we were), and then pull him out after one mistake. Distin won't disappear off the face of the earth for his fuck up last Saturday will he? No, he'll be told to put it behind him by putting in a quality performance this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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