Hafnia Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I did notice Osman have a right go at him for latching onto a cross that took it from him. IMO Osman was wrong, it was there to be hit and it showed a little bit of where Bily is in a pecking order - the lad needs confidence not shouting at, his cross for felli's goal was great. Bit annoyed at ossie for that - bit o bullying maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I did notice Osman have a right go at him for latching onto a cross that took it from him. IMO Osman was wrong, it was there to be hit and it showed a little bit of where Bily is in a pecking order - the lad needs confidence not shouting at, his cross for felli's goal was great. Bit annoyed at ossie for that - bit o bullying maybe? If Ossie has called for it and Bily still took it off him, dont blame him at all for shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy4eva Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 ossie was in a much better place to hit the ball facing goal where as billy was facing the corner flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 If Ossie has called for it and Bily still took it off him, dont blame him at all for shouting. I thought that but the speed it happened I thought it was unlikely, then again Bily did apologise. It's one of those - would Ossie had done it to cahill or felli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 if it goes in the top corner theres no problem, but it didnt, so ossie thinks he would have had a better crack. more of our players need to pipe up imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 if it goes in the top corner theres no problem, but it didnt, so ossie thinks he would have had a better crack. more of our players need to pipe up imo completely agree. The only person I can ever hear is Coleman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 i could equally say the same about Fellaini tbh, and when i was preparing my questions prior to the Chelsea game on the Chelsea forum, they all loved Bily on there, i was very surprised. Well this is it tbh, the few times he has played in the middle show he is not a winger, so its down to the manager as far as im concerned, i will agree he has not performed like maybe he should have, but Moyes has treated him like shit imo, he has tried to make him into something he's not from day 1, so imo im not really sure why DM bought him in the first place. Its another Toffeetalk myth! Bily has played wide left for Russia on numerous occassions so its not as though the role is unfamiliar to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Its another Toffeetalk myth! Bily has played wide left for Russia on numerous occassions so its not as though the role is unfamiliar to him yeah and? Bily has said himself at least twice i can think of, that his prefered position is in the middle though, he should know more than any coach or manager, don't get me wrong i DO think he could have put more effort in at times, but i DO think Moyes has treated him pretty badly, i really don't know why he bought Bily in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 yeah and? Bily has said himself at least twice i can think of, that his prefered position is in the middle though, he should know more than any coach or manager, don't get me wrong i DO think he could have put more effort in at times, but i DO think Moyes has treated him pretty badly, i really don't know why he bought Bily in the first place. This! If he wanted a winger, he should have signed a winger. Not someone who can just do a job there, £10m needs to get a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 if it goes in the top corner theres no problem, but it didnt, so ossie thinks he would have had a better crack. more of our players need to pipe up imo Personally, I'd rather Bily had the shot than watch ANOTHER Osman daisy cutter.The amount of opportunities he fluffs is unbearable so he should pipe down, not up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Personally, I'd rather Bily had the shot than watch ANOTHER Osman daisy cutter.The amount of opportunities he fluffs is unbearable so he should pipe down, not up. Bily was infront of Osman so tbh, first come first served as far as im concerned, Osman should have got in a better position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Osman was in a better position imo, was just pulling back his foot to strike and Bilyaletdinov [sideways on] ran across him and fluffed it for both of them. If he scored Osman would have congratulated him, but he didn't and ruined a good chance for Osman to bag one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Its another Toffeetalk myth! Bily has played wide left for Russia on numerous occassions so its not as though the role is unfamiliar to him He has always played left midfield for Moscow as well. You know you can watch the "Revision History" of Wikipedia articles? Well, he was always listed as "left midfield". That really isn't something Moyes pulled out of his arse. All this "he should play in the middle" has only come up at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 He has always played left midfield for Moscow as well. You know you can watch the "Revision History" of Wikipedia articles? Well, he was always listed as "left midfield". That really isn't something Moyes pulled out of his arse. All this "he should play in the middle" has only come up at Everton. yeah, they are Bily's words and he should know if its prefered position or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) yeah, they are Bily's words and he should know if its prefered position or not An excuse for his horrid performances on the left probably. In the middle he'll actually have to battle for the ball... A midfield with Bily in it will get overran. Edited November 30, 2011 by Steve_E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 An excuse for his horrid performances on the left probably. In the middle he'll actually have to battle for the ball... A midfield with Bily in it will get overran. He said it in his interview before he'd even kicked a ball for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 He said it in his interview before he'd even kicked a ball for us. Could you give a source? http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/09/03/1478127/diniyar-bilyaletdinov-lifts-lid-on-everton-switch Because that one says something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Could you give a source? http://www.goal.com/...-everton-switch Because that one says something different. It was his EvertonTV interview just after he signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 He is NOT a winger if He has played there for Russia which I doubt anyway then it's covering for others. He plays behind the front man/men to the left not on the left wing "My position is left-sided but not as a winger, I come inside then go outside." Anyhow either way I still think Moyes has failed to get the best out of him but if he goes I wouldn't be to fussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) For Russia he fills in at LM for Zhirkov or behind the striker in place of Arshavin. Also been used as a LB. Edited November 30, 2011 by pete0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I dont think Bily has ever been used as a traditional winger though and it is clear to see that it doesnt suit him. Whether or not he would improve that much if he was moved centrally is a bit of an unknown, but its safe to say a lot of his best play for Everton has been through the centre or starting centrally. I wonder if he could play as a full on CM? Im not sure he would have the discipline for it but looking at them video's is suggests he did play in that position in Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 He is NOT a winger if He has played there for Russia which I doubt anyway then it's covering for others. He plays behind the front man/men to the left not on the left wing "My position is left-sided but not as a winger, I come inside then go outside." That's just a terminological debate. He might not have been a traditional chalk on the boots kinda winger in Russia either, but he did play out wide. And that's all I expect from him at Everton as well. He just needs to drag the right back out of his zone by coming inside, thereby making space for Baines. But he usually fails to do even that. Pienaar wasn't a traditional winger with pace and tricks either, but he did manage to not be shite at playing out wide. You know why? Because he wasn't shite in general. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Bily now; he isn't shite. He's got a great left peg, which is a real attribute. Maybe he could excell in a less physical and slower paced league (like the Spanish one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 That's just a terminological debate. He might not have been a traditional chalk on the boots kinda winger in Russia either, but he did play out wide. And that's all I expect from him at Everton as well. He just needs to drag the right back out of his zone by coming inside, thereby making space for Baines. But he usually fails to do even that. Pienaar wasn't a traditional winger with pace and tricks either, but he did manage to not be shite at playing out wide. You know why? Because he wasn't shite in general. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Bily now; he isn't shite. He's got a great left peg, which is a real attribute. Maybe he could excell in a less physical and slower paced league (like the Spanish one). Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 That's just a terminological debate. He might not have been a traditional chalk on the boots kinda winger in Russia either, but he did play out wide. And that's all I expect from him at Everton as well. He just needs to drag the right back out of his zone by coming inside, thereby making space for Baines. But he usually fails to do even that. Pienaar wasn't a traditional winger with pace and tricks either, but he did manage to not be shite at playing out wide. You know why? Because he wasn't shite in general. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Bily now; he isn't shite. He's got a great left peg, which is a real attribute. Maybe he could excell in a less physical and slower paced league (like the Spanish one). Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 That's just a terminological debate. He might not have been a traditional chalk on the boots kinda winger in Russia either, but he did play out wide. And that's all I expect from him at Everton as well. He just needs to drag the right back out of his zone by coming inside, thereby making space for Baines. But he usually fails to do even that. Pienaar wasn't a traditional winger with pace and tricks either, but he did manage to not be shite at playing out wide. You know why? Because he wasn't shite in general. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Bily now; he isn't shite. He's got a great left peg, which is a real attribute. Maybe he could excell in a less physical and slower paced league (like the Spanish one). Hard to argue to much with if I am honest. Thought today might have kicked on, but he showed that even with time and space he lacks the control, technique and mentality when it matters. He should have been ripping Woodgate a new arsehole but decided to hide through the middle and offered no help to Baines whatsoever. He is such a frustrating player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 First half I thought he did well. Baines is no angel to be fair. I've been pissed off with him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Haha how is it a terminological debate a winger is a winger its as simple as that!? His main position is not out wide which is a winger see the above link his own words & Semshov usually plays out wide for Russia Bily usually sits behind Arshavin. I'm not defending his qualities nor that he can cut it but think if He was played in his position which IS NOT A WINGER we MAY have seen a better player. Edited December 4, 2011 by EFC-Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) This argument could go on indefinitely about where he can or cant play, doesn't matter if he plays out wide, inside behind the striker, or in goal, the bloke is never going to be a 8 - 10 million player, and if we could get any money for him i would sell him as soon as, cos he is wank. Edited December 4, 2011 by Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 This argument could go on indefinitely about where he can or cant play, doesn't matter if he plays out wide, inside behind the striker, or in goal, the bloke is never going to be a 8 - 10 million player, and if we could get any money for him i would sell him as soon as, cos he is wank. Spot on - spoken from the heart!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Good as gone.. http://www.sports.ru.../132286453.html He says Moyes is being diplomatic by telling him he has a place in the team and that he is only playing because others are injured. He wants to leave in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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