Inca85 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) It's official. Yak's moving to Leicester. On loan?? Come on! 1. We're desperate in need of a striker who can score goals. And we get rid of one of ours. 2. We're deseprate in need of money. And we get rid of one of our players for free, and we still have to pay his wages (probably). 3. We could have very much used Yakubu as a backup for Saha through the rest of the season instead of giving him away for free. How will we create funds to buy new players if we just send them out on loans?? Oh, and I want Yobo back,btw. I REALLY hope we'll get good money for him if he signs on a permanent deal! ...or am I missing something here? Edited January 13, 2011 by Inca85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 You're not missing anything. Money is really tight at the club. Yak leaving on loan is to get him off the payroll, same reason as Yobo. 1 goal in 15 games isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 It's official. Yak's moving to Leicester. On loan?? Come on! 1. We're desperate in need of a striker who can score goals. And we get rid of one of ours. 2. We're deseprate in need of money. And we get rid of one of our players for free, and we still have to pay his wages (probably). 3. We could have very much used Yakubu as a backup for Saha through the rest of the season instead of giving him away for free. How will we create funds to buy new players if we just send them out on loans?? Oh, and I want Yobo back,btw. I REALLY hope we'll get good money for him if he signs on a permanent deal! ...or am I missing something here? 1. He scored 1 in 10 starts, 15 appearances all together. Only his title is striker. 2. His wages are covered from what ive read. 3. We have another lazy Nigerian to fill his space on the bench. You want Yobo back? Why?! We have Johnny to cover at CB and hes much better than Jobo. Rumours, at least on here, are that we get 4mill if its made permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inca85 Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 1. He scored 1 in 10 starts, 15 appearances all together. Only his title is striker. 2. His wages are covered from what ive read. 3. We have another lazy Nigerian to fill his space on the bench. You want Yobo back? Why?! We have Johnny to cover at CB and hes much better than Jobo. Rumours, at least on here, are that we get 4mill if its made permanent. At least Yobo is better than any Hibbert or Neville at CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 At least Yobo is better than any Hibbert or Neville at CB this is true, but weve got back up for CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inca85 Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 4 million is okay... but I wish we'd got more. Didn't West Ham offer around 7 million in the summer and Moyes said it was too little? According to rumours that is.. I do think there were some news about it on the official page too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonkey Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 wow bought for 11 million and potentially sold for 4 million, moyes really has a habit of spending big on strikers then selling them on for a pretty big loss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 At least Yobo is better than any Hibbert or Neville at CB so is duffy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 so is duffy.. so am i! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 wow bought for 11 million and potentially sold for 4 million, moyes really has a habit of spending big on strikers then selling them on for a pretty big loss! Erm, we made a profit on AJ. No idea how we managed to pull that one out of the hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 all round he has had a decent return for his purchases, also he hasnt really had a bad return on strikers its only really the Yak that stands out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Erm, we made a profit on AJ. No idea how we managed to pull that one out of the hat. Major profit on McFudge and Marcus Bent also . Your argument is looking thin Monkey . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Major profit on McFudge and Marcus Bent also . Your argument is looking thin Monkey . I was going to mention those two but we didn't spend big on them. We did make big profits on the pair though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) mcfadden in 1.25m out £5m rising to £6m bent in 450k out £2m rising to £2.5m and im pretty sure we made 2-3m on aj too...good call there on moyesy only loss was beattie and im pretty sure that was like 2m at the most wasn't it? Edited January 13, 2011 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Imagine the money we would have got if they were any good? at the time of sales the market was incredibly inflated. The money we made was based IMO on the relative success that the team was producing. Bent, AJ and McFadden were purchased as unproven premier league players - they played a part in our success - I would argue that there were many better strikers in the league at the time, it's just that ours were for sale and at a price that could lure some clubs in. It's fair to say that £11m was the right price for the Yak, a proven premier league goal scorer - unfortunately my opinion is that Moyes has tried to change the nature of the beast and some people expect the Yak to be something he is not. He is a great finisher IMO because he doesn't let missing a chance worry him which is a great attitude to have. The negative perception of this is that he doesn't scream or bawl and drop too deep like Rooney, running after balls that the midfielders should be doing (perceived as being a great team player) - is that doing his job? - no - he needs to be in the area that he is going to score - around the 6 box and penalty area. Unfortunately the demands of a striker under Moyes has been one of being a work horse, does this suit the Yak? Probably not - certainly not to the extent that Bent covered abou 10k a match closing down and running channels, but was a better finisher than Yak? Nope. Don't be surprised to see him net 3/4 goals a game for Leicester, he will have a striker partner who will run the channels for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonkey Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 ha didnt realise we made a profit on aj, nice one fulham! yeah i was mainly thinking of beattie aj and yakubu who were the only strikers we really spent decent money on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 wow bought for 11 million and potentially sold for 4 million, moyes really has a habit of spending big on strikers then selling them on for a pretty big loss! That can be filed in the same draw as the myth in here that Moyes has an apalling record with strikers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I suppose its a no lose situation, Moyes wanted him off the wage bill to get another striker. If he scores a shitfull for Leicester they either buy at the agreed fee or there will be a host of promoted or bottome end prem teams queing up for him. If he bombs he comes back in the same situation he was before. In the meantime hopefully our new firework has won us the cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 fee is alright i think, if you think bout it, if his wages are covered which i believe to be around 50k, so thats 50k a week until the summer, 200k say a month, an upfront loan fee and an end transfer of 4 mil...you're talking about saving a mil in wages there for a player that probably wouldnt play...and the loan is unlikely to be less than a mil either in the modern game (bentley's fee is reported to have been 1.5). so in a sense, that's 7 mil give or take for a player we signed for 11ish and has done pretty much completely fuck all for 2 and half years. i'd say, that's not a bad deal...we need the money...sell him and fund moves for the likes of eagles, hammill and maybe a few others...would be decent business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 That can be filed in the same draw as the myth in here that Moyes has an apalling record with strikers Not for me dunc, that one has some weight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 moyes is a pain in the arse with strikers at times but i feel his hand is sometimes forced with cahill..the guy is a machine in terms of workrate..and he also scores a lot of goals so why would you want to change to a 4-4-2 even if the masses scream for it? i think moyes gets a bit of unfair stick for the 4-5-1 but with a player like cahill how can you not play around him when he's the one scorin goals? hafnia has a very fair point with the prices etc...but with mcfadden i was always a huge a fan..ok again he would never graft that much i didn't think but he had bags of skill(as much as i have seen in an everton shirt) and when he had a spell upfront he scored a decent amount of goals..i don't think 6mill was an overinflated price and personally i'd have rather kept him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Not for me dunc, that one has some weight... lol We taking about Yak ? Seriously Moyes' record with forwards isnt that bad Before --- During --- After Bent - Championship player --- Best season of his career --- done nothing since AJ Championship player --- England International --- done nothing since Beattie Career in downward spiral --- Career in downward spiral --- Career in downward spiral McFadden Sunday League football --- National hero --- done nothing since Yak Great/shit/great/shit --- great/shit/shit --- ??? Rooney great kid --- great premiership player --- world class Maybe its selective memory on my part but Im strugling to remeber any forwards that have been ruined by Moyes Edited January 14, 2011 by duncanmckenzieismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 lol We taking about Yak ? Seriously Moyes' record with forwards isnt that bad Before --- During --- After Bent - Championship player --- Best season of his career --- done nothing since AJ Championship player --- England International --- done nothing since Beattie Career in downward spiral --- Career in downward spiral --- Career in downward spiral McFadden Sunday League football --- National hero --- done nothing since Yak Great/shit/great/shit --- great/shit/shit --- ??? Rooney great kid --- great premiership player --- world class Maybe its selective memory on my part but Im strugling to remeber any forwards that have been ruined by Moyes Bent - agree AJ - was a prem player with CP as well and he has been injured since (but done alright when fit)First season he was great, but then fell away from there. Beattie - lol Mcfadden - I dont think he ever really did anything tbh. Yak - pass Rooney - agree. My point with regards to strikers would be that we only ever really get one season out of them, then they dissapear. Beattie (arguably he was ever here!), Aj and Yakubu all follow that general rule. Even Saha has kind of gone down that route. Simple things like 1st touch and passing have gone down hill this year but hopefully they pick up again now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I am forever laughed at by mancs for saying it, but I believe Rooney the talent was more evident in his first full season at everton, since then I haven't seen the type of swashbuckling play that made you sit on the edge of your seat. He has had flashes and patches of brilliance but I believe the magic about him was the untamed raw player. No doubt he is a professionals player, his work rate is phenomenal, I to be honest am surprised he never went on to be the best in the world ahead of messi, at the time he was ahead, now he's a way bit behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Bent - agree AJ - was a prem player with CP as well and he has been injured since (but done alright when fit)First season he was great, but then fell away from there. Beattie - lol Mcfadden - I dont think he ever really did anything tbh. Yak - pass Rooney - agree. My point with regards to strikers would be that we only ever really get one season out of them, then they dissapear. Beattie (arguably he was ever here!), Aj and Yakubu all follow that general rule. Even Saha has kind of gone down that route. Simple things like 1st touch and passing have gone down hill this year but hopefully they pick up again now. scored 1 cracking goal worth remembering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V-0tEM-SR0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 scored 1 cracking goal worth remembering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V-0tEM-SR0 What a moment that was, was there with Josh. Frustrating until Lescott scored with about ten to go (Moyes was just going to put VDM on before we scored he was that desperate for a breakthrough ). Then da Silva started and ended his Everton career coming on with a couple of minutes left, Bent scored after eighty-nine (shitloads of people made the mistake of leaving) and then McFudge worked his magic about two minutes into injury time....we were sat about level with him in the main stand. Just about secured UEFA qualification. Was a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 aj was good when he came to everton, was shite when he left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) aj was good when he came to everton, was shite when he left I actually never thought he was all that before to be honest. However yes, moyes turned him into a right winger. Beattie returned the worst goals to games ratio of his career under moyes, after leaving he averaged better than one in two for Sheffield united. He scored one in five for us. I believe it was due to the system we played, Beattie needed balls crossed in. As it happens I didn't rate him before we bought him. Edited January 15, 2011 by Hafnia2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Beattie complained that it was because he was never given an opportunity to play with AJ. Apparently, at no point did they ever play together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) aj was good when he came to everton, was shite when he left AJ had scored 11 penalties before he joined and that was about it. Moyes turned him into an England international, who we made a tidy profit on Edited January 15, 2011 by duncanmckenzieismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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