Vranny Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 9 hours ago, MikeO said: Serena Williams, what a bad loser; the ultimate "do you know who I am?" personality. Total lack of sportsmanship and completely spoiled the occasion for the Japanese lass who beat her, the crowd were dreadful also. Can’t stand her personally because of this. Still whinging in her press conference about not being able to express her emotions on the court. When those “emotions” have included threatening linesmen in the past, I’m glad a chair umpire has finally stood up to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 hours ago, MikeO said: Serena Williams, what a bad loser; the ultimate "do you know who I am?" personality. Total lack of sportsmanship and completely spoiled the occasion for the Japanese lass who beat her, the crowd were dreadful also. I can't stand her and I love it when she loses. Particularly at the US Open. The whole tournament is spoken about like she's already won it, and total disrespect is shown to all opponents of hers there. So it is so enjoyable when she falls flat on her face. A few years ago she was going for the 'Serena Slam' and loads of fans had bought tickets for the final so they could watch her do it. She didn't even get to the final... it was pure gold Can't wait until the queen of arrogance retires. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/07/santi-cazorla-villarreal-injury-arsenal-interview-sid-lowe Cazorla has had to go through a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 9, 2018 Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 hours ago, MikeO said: Serena Williams, what a bad loser; the ultimate "do you know who I am?" personality. Total lack of sportsmanship and completely spoiled the occasion for the Japanese lass who beat her, the crowd were dreadful also. Horrible piece of work. "Sexism" my arse.... she's earned a fookin fortune out of best of 3 sets whilst men have 5 set - 4 hour plus marathons which leave them exhausted when playing their next singles game. FOR THE SAME MONEY!! meanwhile she pads up her earning having nice little warmdowns in the doubles matches. I hope the umpire sues her arse. I hope a male player comes out and says they want more money based on the extra sets and extra attendance they get. Oh yeah.... has she ever had her natural testosterone levels checked too? Caster Semanya has been through all sorts of shit cos she has naturally high testosterone levels.... I guess Serena does too based on her 15 inch biceps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/07/santi-cazorla-villarreal-injury-arsenal-interview-sid-lowe Cazorla has had to go through a lot Blimey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 https://www.football365.com/news/full-transcript-of-shthouse-keane-v-arter-and-walters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 Not at all surprising if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 50 minutes ago, Matt said: Not at all surprising if true. Agreed. He's a horrible man and nothing but a bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 http://www.skysports.com/share/11495141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: http://www.skysports.com/share/11495141 Good call there. Europa League is way too overloaded with 48 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 I think MON and Keane might be my least favorite coaching tandem. MON is selfish, and there is something seriously wrong with Keane for him to always be so angry and confrontational. MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, sibdane said: I think MON and Keane might be my least favorite coaching tandem. MON is selfish, and there is something seriously wrong with Keane for him to always be so angry and confrontational. Borderline psychopath imo. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 awful if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 08/09/2018 at 23:10, MikeO said: Serena Williams, what a bad loser; the ultimate "do you know who I am?" personality. Total lack of sportsmanship and completely spoiled the occasion for the Japanese lass who beat her, the crowd were dreadful also. And this is apparently racist and sexist now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 45 minutes ago, MikeO said: And this is apparently racist and sexist now... yeah totally racist, she didn't play a blond white chick and the ref was not a pale skinned guy, he is portuguese and has tan skin. so the cartoonist making that juxtaposition is racist, not sure on the sexist bit. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah totally racist, she didn't play a blond white chick and the ref was not a pale skinned guy, he is portuguese and has tan skin. so the cartoonist making that juxtaposition is racist, not sure on the sexist bit. It's caricature, the ethnicity of the extras is irrelevant for me. You want to find something about the crowd being grey offensive? Edit: actually the ethnicity and gender of all three characters isn'tttt the point surely, how many cartoons were there of McEnroe spitting the dummy back in the day? Were they racist because he was white or sexist because he was male? Of course they weren't, there's enough real prejudice in the World so no need to see it when it's not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 Not sure what to make of the Keane thing. Apparently Ward wasn't even there when it happened so he will have second hand information which makes it even less reliable. The stuff between Keane and Walters sounds realistic but the Keane and Arter thing seems OTT even for Keane. The thing is Keane knows fully well that these lads will be on the treatment table during the international break and then playing 90 minutes in the first team at the weekend which must be infuriating for them although I would happy to see all the Everton lads on the treatment table on international duty if it meant they were fit for the weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 46 minutes ago, MikeO said: It's caricature, the ethnicity of the extras is irrelevant for me. You want to find something about the crowd being grey offensive? Edit: actually the ethnicity and gender of all three characters isn'tttttttt the point surely, how many cartoons were there of McEnroe spitting the dummy back in the day? Were they racist because he was white or sexist because he was male? Of course they weren't, there's enough real prejudice in the World so no need to see it when it's not there. you're missing it mike. the caricature portrayed serena as black (correct) and being in the wrong, then portrayed the right as being white and white (both incorrect). they in itself is a message hence the racism (black wrong white right). had they been the correct skin color i doubt the racism calls would be there. grey would probably be accurate for teh crowd, a mixture of many different peoples of all colors, grey actually be the color of them combined in a "one big audience" thing. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: you're missing it mike. the caricature portrayed serena as black (correct) and being in the wrong, then portrayed the right as being white and white (both incorrect). they in itself is a message hence the racism (black wrong white right). had they been the correct skin color i doubt the racism calls would be there. grey would probably be accurate for teh crowd, a mixture of many different peoples of all colors, grey actually be the color of them combined in a "one big audience" thing. It's not conclusively racist. As a caricuture it's pretty accurate in its exaggeration.... im not sure the other player and umpire are supposed to be caricatures. The sad reality is that a caricature of a black person is going to identify a lot of school yard jibes... colour, prominent lips, musculature etc. A caricature of Federer would show a big nose... boris Becker ginger etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 I hadn't actually noticed the race of the umpire and other player! FWIW the other player does look Asian and the umpire is white in real life, albeit a tanned white. I can see why people are raising their eyebrows at it but it feels like you have to look for it to see. Then again it's an issue that has never affected me in my life and therefore it might well be more emotive and repugnant to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 It's just easier to draw white people. In most the Japanese cartoons the people look more white than Asian. I'd imagine most cartoon artist will draw a generic character with white features simply because it's easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, pete0 said: It's just easier to draw white people. In most the Japanese cartoons the people look more white than Asian. I'd imagine most cartoon artist will draw a generic character with white features simply because it's easier. I take MJB's point, and the US is very sensitive to things like this. Williams' opponent is half-Japanese and half-Haitian, most definitely neither light-skinned nor blonde. And for MikeO's benefit, I'm upset because the cartoonist had to make the spectators fifty shades of grey. There's no place for pornography in sports. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 hours ago, MikeO said: And this is apparently racist and sexist now... I don't really have a dog in this fight because I couldn't give a shit about tennis, but the whole thing does seem a bit sexist, and the cartoon is definitely reminiscent of overtly racist Jim Crow/Jack Johnson cartoons. The sexist part is evinced by this: There's just a much larger reaction to and outrage over her fits than there ever has been to the tantrums of male tennis players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, nyblue23 said: There's just a much larger reaction to and outrage over her fits than there ever has been to the tantrums of male tennis players. You can not be serious!? Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romey 1878 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Fabio. Fognini. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/10/fabio-fognini-us-open-umpire-grand-slam-ban/69895/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, pete0 said: You can not be serious!? 7 hours ago, pete0 said: John McEnroe is himself a caricature, but as polarizing as he was, few said he was disgracing the sport. People equally loved or hated his lack of decorum, but it was entertainment and he was seen as a passionate if irritating figure. When Williams throws a fit, no one finds it entertaining. Her fits will never be in a reel of tennis players behaving badly. Instead they will be dissected by every sports publication and most non-sports publications, talked about in soccer forums and at dinner tables. If you can’t see the difference between the two, I can’t help you: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1248179002 So yeah, Johnny boy, I’m serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Fabio. Fognini. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/10/fabio-fognini-us-open-umpire-grand-slam-ban/69895/ He was fined and temporarily banned for mysogynistic, abusive, vulgar and racist language. The most offensive thing Williams said was calling the umpire a thief. I’m not sure for whose benefit that article was posted (your only other post about this talks about how much you hate Williams), but if you read the whole thing, it actually defends my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Is it just me that would be more offended by being called a thief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, nyblue23 said: He was fined and temporarily banned for mysogynistic, abusive, vulgar and racist language. The most offensive thing Williams said was calling the umpire a thief. I’m not sure for whose benefit that article was posted (your only other post about this talks about how much you hate Williams), but if you read the whole thing, it actually defends my point. So a man is punished heavily (and quite rightly so as well), while I woman was punished less heavily (also rightly, because her offence was less), but for some reason people think Williams’ punishment was sexist... Nope, not having it. It’s just Serena playing the sore loser card, as she’s prone to do because she’s a big baby. Great tennis player but an absolute horror of a person. pete0 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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