pete0 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 I actually didn't get past the "I prefer defenders who can defend" and realised you are actually classing John Stones as being better than Rio Ferdinand.... STONES CAN'T DEFEND. He is the most error prone player who has caused the most goals to be conceded since 2013. Okay Mr strawman. Pretty sure you put Evans but crack on. (Maybe if you read my previous posts you'll see I've already addressed Stones and Ferdinand BOTH not being great at defending.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Okay Mr strawman. Pretty sure you put Evans but crack on. (Maybe if you read my previous posts you'll see I've already addressed Stones and Ferdinand BOTH not being great at defending.) Explain the strawman... in fact don't bother. You clearly have no idea what it means. Rio was a top defender, a top ball player, a positionally intelligent player.... in short - You don't get to play all those years and escape being flogged for missing a drugs test by SAF if you ain't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pete0 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Explain the strawman... in fact don't bother. You clearly have no idea what it means. Rio was a top defender, a top ball player, a positionally intelligent player.... in short - You don't get to play all those years and escape being flogged for missing a drugs test by SAF if you ain't good. Someone who has a tin man and a lion for friends. If only you had a brain. https://youtu.be/vi-MPy-SyYM If you don't have half an hour to spare heres an article on Big Dunc making him look like an amateur https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/duncan-fergusons-fiery-last-stand-9081427.amp And he made a player his agent believes is worth £120,000 a week (Rio Ferdinand) look like a journeyman centre-half. Good luck analysing how it's really Lukaku's fault that Rio can't track a man or follow the flight of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Someone who has a tin man and a lion for friends. If only you had a brain. https://youtu.be/vi-MPy-SyYM If you don't have half an hour to spare heres an article on Big Dunc making him look like an amateur https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/duncan-fergusons-fiery-last-stand-9081427.amp And he made a player his agent believes is worth £120,000 a week (Rio Ferdinand) look like a journeyman centre-half. Good luck analysing how it's really Lukaku's fault that Rio can't track a man or follow the flight of the ball. Is that the best you can honestly do? Duncan Ferguson was unplayable when he was on... 4 centre halves wouldn't have dealt with him that night. It's deffo up there is this one....possibly with your opinion that Steven Gerrard was shit and couldn't shoot for toffee. I think you said some think like he was on a par with Phil Neville and Kevin Nolan- couldn't pass, couldn't tackle and couldn't shoot... Am i correct that you said this? Edited July 20, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Forget the strawman, you're more of a Jack Dawkins. Yes Ferguson can be unstoppable, but that doesn't explain how bad Rio was, doesn't even challenge. I've not rewatched today but from memory he goes for some ballet kick on one of them that's completely laughable (might have been in the other game ferguson made a laughing stock of him). Worst display from a defender at Goodison in my lifetime. Gerrard was average at everything. However in the Prem you have specialist in every position. So compared to someone who is a DM he can't tackle, see Naysmiths groin and multiple other shocking ones that would have had a Sunday league player banned for life. As for passing he's not got a patch on Alonso, I'd say Danny Murphy was better. Behind the striker his shooting and intelligence was no where near Scholes or Lampard, he was speculative more than spectacular. Ask a kopite season ticket holder they nicknamed him Mr Hollywood, and it wasn't complimentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Forget the strawman, you're more of a Jack Dawkins. Yes Ferguson can be unstoppable, but that doesn't explain how bad Rio was, doesn't even challenge. I've not rewatched today but from memory he goes for some ballet kick on one of them that's completely laughable (might have been in the other game ferguson made a laughing stock of him). Worst display from a defender at Goodison in my lifetime. Gerrard was average at everything. However in the Prem you have specialist in every position. So compared to someone who is a DM he can't tackle, see Naysmiths groin and multiple other shocking ones that would have had a Sunday league player banned for life. As for passing he's not got a patch on Alonso, I'd say Danny Murphy was better. Behind the striker his shooting and intelligence was no where near Scholes or Lampard, he was speculative more than spectacular. Ask a kopite season ticket holder they nicknamed him Mr Hollywood, and it wasn't complimentary. Let me get this right.... man United lost 1-0 and Rio Ferdinands performance was the worst you be "ever" seen from a defender at goodison?.... absolute nonsense... complete and utter nonsense. Gerrard was average at everything? And because you know a season ticket holder who called him Mr Hollywood then it negates everything he ever did? In previous posts you actually said gerrard couldnt shoot.... that he was on a par with Phil Neville. PeteO.... I don't like Gerrard... I don't particularly like Rio but get your head out your arse and look at the player. If someone like zidane, pirlo, kaka, ronaldinho, ibrahimovic, call Gerrard a world class player and Rooney says he's the best he's played with then I kinda think he may be a bit good. Maybe you were spending your time slating jagielka in all the goals Gerrard scored against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Love your use of examples.. Oh wait no just a baseless statement. Go on, tell us about your friend who walks his dog and told you he's world class. What's your point? How selective. What about his former teammate Diouf's opinion? Rooney said Joe Hart was the best keeper he played with, so take it with a pinch of salt. If you understood how a defender should position himself then that would be a great example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Love your use of examples.. Oh wait no just a baseless statement. Go on, tell us about your friend who walks his dog and told you he's world class. What's your point? How selective. What about his former teammate Diouf's opinion? Rooney said Joe Hart was the best keeper he played with, so take it with a pinch of salt. If you understood how a defender should position himself then that would be a great example. Prattling on now Pete. Simply put... it's very difficult to take many of your judgements of players seriously. Many are barring on the ridiculous - Adrian Durham does this to get listeners and callers I think you do it for attention or to make it look like you may be the first person to call the earth round. Just to clarify.... you are essentially calling Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard average to poor players. I'd argue that without either of those players their respective teams would have struggled to win the trophies they did. Well... let's look at it another way - Roy Keane said Rios ban cost them the league. Look at it another way Gerrard more or less single handedly won Liverpool the champions league, fa cup, and a league cup.... and a fair few derbies. I'd give up on your ridiculous Gerrard and Rio are shit nonsense. They may have been the subject of hyperbole but that doesnt mean they werent bloody good footballers. Edited July 21, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Lots of substance as always... Says the guy who said we'd make a loss on Lukaku and still wouldn't hold up his hand to the bitter end. Look at all those trophies England won with them. He held the kopites back. They won more points without Gerrard and arguably would have won the league without him sitting on his arse in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Lots of substance as always... Says the guy who said we'd make a loss on Lukaku and still wouldn't hold up his hand to the bitter end. Look at all those trophies England won with them. He held the kopites back. They won more points without Gerrard and arguably would have won the league without him sitting on his arse in midfield. Make a loss on lukaku? No we never. Fortunately or unfortunately for us we never had anyone remotely capable of being a striker option as we all our eggs in that basket... his goal stats and short supply of strikers meant we got top dollar for him. Which will appear like daylight robbery when he gets outshine by rashford. My early opinion of him as a player stood right till the very end. A good finisher and thats it. We are talking about two players who have won medals at the highest level and captained their sides to success... not a 24 year old with a touch of an elephant who has won jot and been poor in every big game. So Gerrard held the kopites back? You really will have to explain that to me. They won more points without Gerrard? Talking nonsense yet again. 879 points in 494 games vs 215 in 122 games. Many of the games he didn't play hevwas rested for vs low-end teams. So England didn't win a trophy with Gerrard and Rio..... we didn't win one with Gazza and Shearer - are they shit too? You really do need to know when to give up. Talking garbage mate. It makes your jagielka dissing look sensible. Edited July 21, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Don't get the all eggs in one basket comment? As in he had no competition? Don't see how that has any relevance, or is it more in reference to the lack of goals elsewhere from the team? Lukaku would have scored more with a better supply than what Barkley offered, who himself in a free role only got 5. Pity your form on strikers offers little weight. Welbeck, Bony, Benteke, and Deeney haven't come close, so I'd be surprised if Rashford does. Sometimes your lack of understanding is unfathomable. Players don't win medals, teams win medals. Arteta won nothing at us, he's still better than Nicky Butt who won numerous at United. Captaincy relevance? Savage captained united youth, yet never made the first team unlike Beckham et al. So what's your point? Funny I thought the majority of games he missed were through injuries and bans? I never made out Gazza or Shearer were the best in the world. What's your point? Already proven Jagielka is below the standards I've been lucky enough to see at Everton. Watson, Weir, Lescott, Yobo all better. Edited July 21, 2017 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Don't get the all eggs in one basket comment? As in he had no competition? Don't see how that has any relevance, or is it more in reference to the lack of goals elsewhere from the team? Lukaku would have scored more with a better supply than what Barkley offered, who himself in a free role only got 5. Pity your form on strikers offers little weight. Welbeck, Bony, Benteke, and Deeney haven't come close, so I'd be surprised if Rashford does. Sometimes your lack of understanding is unfathomable. Players don't win medals, teams win medals. Arteta won nothing at us, he's still better than Nicky Butt who won numerous at United. Captaincy relevance? Savage captained united youth, yet never made the first team unlike Beckham et al. So what's your point? Funny I thought the majority of games he missed were through injuries and bans? I never made out Gazza or Shearer were the best in the world. What's your point? Already proven Jagielka is below the standards I've been lucky enough to see at Everton. Watson, Weir, Lescott, Yobo all better. So the fact that rio and Gerrard won nothing with England has no relevance to their ability as a player after all? You contradict yourself so often it's a joke. You made the point they couldn't be good cos they won nothing with England.... then one post later you state that Arteta was better than butt even though he won nothing.... what's it gonna be fella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 THE END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nyblue23 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I am 10 Michael Jacksons eating popcorn at this argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) In all the craziness of it all I actually missed the part where Pete said Yobo was better than jagielka.... That's pure comedy right there. Joseph yobo.... I actually try to forget he played for us. Shocking player... up there with Titus Bramble for calamities. Anyone recall his assist for Wayne Rooney in a man United shirt? Or his performance in the 6-1 drubbing from arsenal? Edited July 21, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 In all the craziness of it all I actually missed the part where Pete said Yobo was better than jagielka.... That's pure comedy right there. Joseph yobo.... I actually try to forget he played for us. Shocking player... up there with Titus Bramble for calamities. Anyone recall his assist for Wayne Rooney in a man United shirt? Or his performance in the 6-1 drubbing from arsenal? The goal we conceded against Charlton was unforgivable - he's leaning down tying his shoelace in his own penalty area as the ball fly's past him and into our net. Absolute melon of a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 So the fact that rio and Gerrard won nothing with England has no relevance to their ability as a player after all? You contradict yourself so often it's a joke. You made the point they couldn't be good cos they won nothing with England.... then one post later you state that Arteta was better than butt even though he won nothing.... what's it gonna be fella? You made the point they won trophies. Yet they never won any together. Shows it was their teammates. Logic is a bitch you don't know very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 The goal we conceded against Charlton was unforgivable - he's leaning down tying his shoelace in his own penalty area as the ball fly's past him and into our net. Absolute melon of a player. But did he take a yellow card for the team? If he did then it's quite possible that he leapfrogs jags in the centre half hierarchy. It probably positions jagielka somewhere between per kroldrup and Phillip senderos as it stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) In all the craziness of it all I actually missed the part where Pete said Yobo was better than jagielka.... That's pure comedy right there. Joseph yobo.... I actually try to forget he played for us. Shocking player... up there with Titus Bramble for calamities. Anyone recall his assist for Wayne Rooney in a man United shirt? Or his performance in the 6-1 drubbing from arsenal? His blunders are bad. However, they were a lot rarer than most, reputation can be a bad thing and every one of his was broadcasted and moaned about. Just shows your MOTD opinion rather than just your own eyes/brain. Funny how we done better with Yobo than Jagielka when they had the same 10 men round them. Edited July 21, 2017 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) You made the point they won trophies. Yet they never won any together. Shows it was their teammates. Logic is a bitch you don't know very well.Give it up mate. I made the point that both Rio and Gerrard captained their clubs to Europe's biggest honour and in the case of Rio he won 6 prem league titles. Between the 2 of them they made the pfa team of the year 14 times. So in reply you state that if they were so good why didn't England win anything? Patgetic argument which you then went on to contradict.... but in doing so you questioned why I brought it up? Do yourself a favour and read back your posts.... you even confuse yourself. Quick one.... was Joseph yobo better than Rio Ferdinand? I'm gonna quit this now because it's getting embarrassing. Edited July 21, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Rio never. Man United did. This isn't F1, we don't have an individuals league. Supports my reputation argument really. Won a popularity contest before the season is even finished. Tell me more about this conclusive evidence. Already answered. I'll not repeat for a couple of millenia like some. Ferdinand is better at passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) But did he take a yellow card for the team? If he did then it's quite possible that he leapfrogs jags in the centre half hierarchy. It probably positions jagielka somewhere between per kroldrup and Phillip senderos as it stands. Name a top class centre half with less. It's not a sign of a good defender, however it's part and parcel if you're doing your job properly. Edited July 21, 2017 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) Name a top class centre half with less. It's not a sign of a good defender, however it's part and parcel if you're doing your job properly. Poor Bobby Moore... he was classed as a great centre half by almost everyone and PeteO has just had him taken out the ball of fame. Not giving up yet Pete? Like fishing in a barrel this mate. Edited July 21, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Yobo, you was always hoping his mistake a game would come very early in the game and it wasn't a colossal one. I loved Joey but that shoelace mistake was an absolute joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Poor Bobby Moore... he was classed as a great centre half by almost everyone and PeteO has just had him taken out the ball of fame. Not giving up yet Pete? Like fishing in a barrel this mate. You had to go back 60 years to find one. Yes, you've certainly proved me wrong.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 You had to go back 60 years to find one. Yes, you've certainly proved me wrong.. Didn't have to go back 60 years it took less than a second to prove your theory wrong. Like most posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 196m pounds for Neymar. Wow. Not sure if it will go off, but PSG is making some bold moves. barca tell PSG they won't sell. then they bid 72m for coutinho and are rejected. totally not lining up his replacement i can't wait to see the kopite meltdown when coutinho is sold. 90m comes in and they will sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Didn't have to go back 60 years it took less than a second to prove your theory wrong. Like most posts...How many years ago was Moore playing? Surely it would be easier to pick some one in the last decade.. Or wasn't there any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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