Blue 250 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Blue, I hope that post wasn't aimed at me because I was talking about United's underhand tactics, not saying anything about Everton having a role in it. Well, just had a look back at your post, and what you wrote makes sence to me.Like everyone else I'm getting pissed off with our young players being poached, I'm watching and waiting on the Rodwell situation, your post I guess just got me thinking about the Rooney /Man Utd saga, the press, and all the other associated crap that is being written and will continue to be written in the weeks/ months to come. You have to feel sorry for Everton in this situation, unless Rodwell says I want to spend my entire career at Everton, then there's a story to run. So to be quite honest your post is 100% on the button.Though I doubt their actions are employed to help Man Utd (they don't really need any help)....no their reason for the stories is to keep fucking usless sports reporters in a job, selling their crap little papers.....excuse my language! Edited November 21, 2009 by Blue 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonKey Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Well.... ESPN were certainly adding their two bobs worth. Seemed like every time he touched the ball, there was a comment along the lines of 'He'll be looking to impress his prospective future employers' or 'You'd imagine that their will be plenty more appearances for him at Old Trafford in the future'. What a load of shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Well.... ESPN were certainly adding their two bobs worth. Seemed like every time he touched the ball, there was a comment along the lines of 'He'll be looking to impress his prospective future employers' or 'You'd imagine that their will be plenty more appearances for him at Old Trafford in the future'. What a load of shite! when jack had a shot the camera panned to his uncle,name, details, blackpool etc, he was hidden away in some old trafford snug - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 The way he's playing at the moment he's not worth a lot, probably about £9m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Anyone feeling this is exactly like with Rooney? Me thinks Man United are using the press to unsettle Jack and let their interest me known to him in the hope it'll turn his head. The press are tapping him up for them basically. Welcome to the reality of realising that the OT group have a larger influence on the media that anything else. Ferguson is a master of deception and his tactics are a disgrace to football. The sooner football can become more honest and ballsier, the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 lol If you beleive The People Real Madrid are after Rodders now and we are believed to be "holding out for £15M"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 lol If you beleive The People Real Madrid are after Rodders now and we are believed to be "holding out for £15M"! http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_method=full%26objectID=21876866%26siteID=93463-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_method=full%26objectID=21876866%26siteID=93463-name_page.html £15m if that is true then i'm afraid that is an insult. We paid £15m in one form or another for Fellaini, not even going to bother comparing them - Rodwell better than Fellaini - hands down, potentially as good as Lampard/Gerrard/ Ferdinand - we are talking telephone numbers. The risk is that great I would not sell for £30m. If we are going to be in the position to attract top talent then we need to possess top talent. Look at Man City, they needed to get Robinho as a statement of intent (I don't even think they wanted him, they wanted a flag ship signing in order to be successful in recruiting Kaka (failed) but they got some top players in as a result. We need to keep Jack till he is showing his ability on a consistent level, at the moment he represents the best value for the teams such as Chelsea, Man U, Real as he has yet to get an England cap, as soon as he does, bet your bottom dollar he will be in the £25m+ bracket - which wpuld mean they would already see a return on investment. Top and bottom - do not sell at any price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggy Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 £15m if that is true then i'm afraid that is an insult. We paid £15m in one form or another for Fellaini, not even going to bother comparing them - Rodwell better than Fellaini - hands down, potentially as good as Lampard/Gerrard/ Ferdinand - we are talking telephone numbers. The risk is that great I would not sell for £30m. If we are going to be in the position to attract top talent then we need to possess top talent. Look at Man City, they needed to get Robinho as a statement of intent (I don't even think they wanted him, they wanted a flag ship signing in order to be successful in recruiting Kaka (failed) but they got some top players in as a result. We need to keep Jack till he is showing his ability on a consistent level, at the moment he represents the best value for the teams such as Chelsea, Man U, Real as he has yet to get an England cap, as soon as he does, bet your bottom dollar he will be in the £25m+ bracket - which wpuld mean they would already see a return on investment. Top and bottom - do not sell at any price. Quite right, unfortunately our "fiscally challenged" chairman may not agree........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 The clue's in the article... "...they have to spend big if they want to lure one of the most exciting talents England has produced since Wayne Rooney." So why should the price be virtually half the Rooney money after five odd years of absurd transfer inflation? Anything less than £40m we should laugh in their faces (and still say no even if they offered it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC247 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) More about it here: http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/127142-real-madrid-join-%C3%8215-million-chase-for-evertons-jack-rodwell.html http://goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/12/06/1670202/real-madrid-plotting-raid-for-evertons-jack-rodwell-report http://www.eatsleepsport.com/everton/real-in-for-rodwell-reports-987359.html http://www.everton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=180342 Edited December 7, 2009 by EFC247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 More about it here: http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/127142-real-madrid-join-%C3%8215-million-chase-for-evertons-jack-rodwell.html http://goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/12/06/1670202/real-madrid-plotting-raid-for-evertons-jack-rodwell-report http://www.eatsleepsport.com/everton/real-in-for-rodwell-reports-987359.html http://www.everton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=180342 That's just other sites repeating the People story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I dont like all this specualtion, gettin quite scared he may leave sometime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustoffee22 Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 He came out and said he is staying the next couple of years and i believe him. The only way he leaves this year or next is if moyes or kenwright want to sell him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yeah, once a Blue always a Blue eh. (where have i heard that one before). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggy Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Yeah, once a Blue always a Blue eh. (where have i heard that one before). On my sig?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Nothing less than - Fernando Gago, Royston Drenthe, Rafael Van Der Vaart and £10m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Nothing less than - Fernando Gago, Royston Drenthe, Rafael Van Der Vaart and £10m Could they chuck in RVN too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Could they chuck in RVN too? And pay his wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I hate to be a pessimist but all this talk of 40 million for rodwell is frankly ridiculous! First of all the lad isn't an England international, thats not to say he won't be, but how many young players have we seen in the premiership that have never quite made the step up? there's absolutely no doubting rodwells talents, and IF he were to go I wouldn't want to see him go for less than he is/potentially worth to the team. However, at the moment he isn't worth 40 million, not a chance. we are having a poor season, we have financial difficulties and there's no denying that. I honestly believe IF we were to sell him in the next couple of transfer windows, we'd be lucky to get 12-15 million. Im not trying to be negative, just realistic. Yes, Lescott went to Man City for a frankly astonishing (reported) 24 million. Thats an England international ( a fringe one at that) with a few years of premiership experience, sold to a club who are paying highly inflated fees. I think its dangerous to talk about the bags of money we think we should get for Rodwell, when realistically speaking it just won't happen. Imagine if say Chelsea, Man Utd or Real Madrid publically stated their serious interest in the lad, do you really think he wouldn't hand in a transfer request?! Consequently quashing our stance to barter a higher fee for him. I truely hope he stays with us for years to come, from the bottom of my blue heart, but come on, if he does leave it will not be for more than our club can afford to reject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy8 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I hate to be a pessimist but all this talk of 40 million for rodwell is frankly ridiculous! First of all the lad isn't an England international, thats not to say he won't be, but how many young players have we seen in the premiership that have never quite made the step up? there's absolutely no doubting rodwells talents, and IF he were to go I wouldn't want to see him go for less than he is/potentially worth to the team. However, at the moment he isn't worth 40 million, not a chance. we are having a poor season, we have financial difficulties and there's no denying that. I honestly believe IF we were to sell him in the next couple of transfer windows, we'd be lucky to get 12-15 million. Im not trying to be negative, just realistic. Yes, Lescott went to Man City for a frankly astonishing (reported) 24 million. Thats an England international ( a fringe one at that) with a few years of premiership experience, sold to a club who are paying highly inflated fees. I think its dangerous to talk about the bags of money we think we should get for Rodwell, when realistically speaking it just won't happen. Imagine if say Chelsea, Man Utd or Real Madrid publically stated their serious interest in the lad, do you really think he wouldn't hand in a transfer request?! Consequently quashing our stance to barter a higher fee for him. I truely hope he stays with us for years to come, from the bottom of my blue heart, but come on, if he does leave it will not be for more than our club can afford to reject. Man City's second offer for Lescott was 18 Million wasn't it? After he handed in a transfer request, we still managed to get it up to 24 Million, a 6 million difference which to me is quite a lot of stance on our part. Yes you may think he's only worth 12-15 Million (and I'm sure that there is people who agree with you), but of course we are going to want more from him if another club comes in. IMO we should be demanding 30-50 million, and if somebody is willing to pay that then that is their gamble that he will fulfil his potential. If he can't live up to that, that is their loss and not ours. Either way, he's technically our player until 2014, so we can demand whatever we want for him until that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Of course he's not worth £40m (yet), and there's no guarantee that he'll fulfill his potential but it's a universally recognised opinion that he is (or will be) very special. As such he's difficult to price but imagine for a moment we sell for £15m and he goes on to become what everyone thinks he's going to become. The fallout BK got for letting Rooney go would be nothing by comparison. It's unthinkable to me to let him go for that sort of money, I don't care if he puts in a request....refuse it and stick to the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 It shows exactly where we are as a club that we're all talking about what fee we should get for him like it's inevitable that he'll be going . He's a player we should be building for the future around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 He's a player we should be building for the future around. Exactly. That's why we should demand a price that no-one is willing to pay....I'm talking hypothetical value, certainly don't want it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsmith69 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 great article in the times today. not really a rumour but as we already had a topic. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/everton/article6953767.ece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 great article in the times today. not really a rumour but as we already had a topic. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/everton/article6953767.ece That was a really good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Great piece that. Be very surprised if he did a Rooney/Lescott on us . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrawfor Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Great piece that. Be very surprised if he did a Rooney/Lescott on us . Rooney/Lescott? Those aren't interchangeable. Lescott had no association with the club other than his years here. Rooney was a blue from birth. I hope Rodders sticks around for a good long while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Rooney/Lescott? Those aren't interchangeable. Lescott had no association with the club other than his years here. Rooney was a blue from birth. Which turned out to be an irrelevance to him making them totally interchangeable. They left under similar circumstances for similar reasons, their background doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrawfor Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Which turned out to be an irrelevance to him making them totally interchangeable. They left under similar circumstances for similar reasons, their background doesn't change that. Lescott leaving was far more understandable, and forgivable. His paycheck was his only allegiance to Everton. Rooney leaving was and is far more disappointing and unforgivable. But, I suppose those are just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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