MikeO Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Without sounding ridiculous, you are looking at Sergio Aguerro money - £50m - £60m. Maybe slightly optimistic, but far less ridiculous than £20m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm resigned to this happening. We don't seem capable of fighting off other clubs. We will get £20-25m for Rodders and Kenwright will tell us its a great deal for a 18 year old. Moyes will spend the money on defenders and utility players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm resigned to this happening. We don't seem capable of fighting off other clubs. Too right. It's a disgrace . These are the players who have left Goodison under Moyes/Kenwright. I've marked in bold red all of those who left after we failed to fight off the other club (and who didn't ask to go)... Thomas Kearney Paul Gascoigne David Ginola Alec Cleland Jesper Blomqvist David Eaton Ryan Valentine Andrew Pettinger Idan Tal Keith Southern Joe-Max Moore Li Wei Feng Espen Baardsen Brian McBride Ibrahim Saeed Juliano Rodrigo Robert Southern Franklyn Colbeck David Carney Martin Crowder Steven Beck George Pilkington Kevin McLeod Mark Pembridge Niclas Alexandersson Sean O'Hanlon Scott Brown Patrizzio Pascucci Joey Jones Francis Jeffers Steven Schumacher Michael Symes Scott Gemmill Steve Simonsen Paul Gerrard Brian Moogan Craig Garside David Unsworth Tomasz Radzinski Tobias Linderoth Eddy Bosnar Wayne Rooney Peter Clark Kevin Campbell Thomas Gravesen Nick Chadwick Daniel Fox Anthony Gerrard Guillaume Plessis Alan Stubbs Alessandro Pistone Steve Watson Per Krøldrup Marcus Bent Paul Hopkins Christian Seargeant Steve Wynne Laurence Wilson James Harris Sean Wright Duncan Ferguson Li Tie Kevin Kilbane David Weir Simon Davies Mark Hughes Richard Wright Alessandro Pistone (again) Gary Naysmith James Beattie James McFadden Anderson da Silva Alan Stubbs (again) Andrew Gardner Stefan Wessels Bjarni Vidarsson Patrick Boyle Lee Carsley Andrew Johnson Scott Spencer Nuno Valente Andy van der Meyde Segundo Castillo Lars Jacobsen Joleon Lescott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Too right. It's a disgrace . These are the players who have left Goodison under Moyes/Kenwright. I've marked in bold red all of those who left after we failed to fight off the other club (and who didn't ask to go)... Thomas Kearney Paul Gascoigne David Ginola Alec Cleland Jesper Blomqvist David Eaton Ryan Valentine Andrew Pettinger Idan Tal Keith Southern Joe-Max Moore Li Wei Feng Espen Baardsen Brian McBride Ibrahim Saeed Juliano Rodrigo Robert Southern Franklyn Colbeck David Carney Martin Crowder Steven Beck George Pilkington Kevin McLeod Mark Pembridge Niclas Alexandersson Sean O'Hanlon Scott Brown Patrizzio Pascucci Joey Jones Francis Jeffers Steven Schumacher Michael Symes Scott Gemmill Steve Simonsen Paul Gerrard Brian Moogan Craig Garside David Unsworth Tomasz Radzinski Tobias Linderoth Eddy Bosnar Wayne Rooney Peter Clark Kevin Campbell Thomas Gravesen Nick Chadwick Daniel Fox Anthony Gerrard Guillaume Plessis Alan Stubbs Alessandro Pistone Steve Watson Per Krøldrup Marcus Bent Paul Hopkins Christian Seargeant Steve Wynne Laurence Wilson James Harris Sean Wright Duncan Ferguson Li Tie Kevin Kilbane David Weir Simon Davies Mark Hughes Richard Wright Alessandro Pistone (again) Gary Naysmith James Beattie James McFadden Anderson da Silva Alan Stubbs (again) Andrew Gardner Stefan Wessels Bjarni Vidarsson Patrick Boyle Lee Carsley Andrew Johnson Scott Spencer Nuno Valente Andy van der Meyde Segundo Castillo Lars Jacobsen Joleon Lescott Them asking to go is the same as us fighting off another club. Lescott for example. If we increased his salary he might have stayed. Bad example, I wanted the git to go in the end but you get my point. And since when did Ferguson WANT to go to Newcastle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 And since when did Ferguson WANT to go to Newcastle? Ferguson went to Newcastle under Moyes management ? Must've missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ferguson went to Newcastle under Moyes management ? Must've missed that. Ok if you are being a pedant then no Dunc didnt leave under Moyes' management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ok if you are being a pedant then no Dunc didnt leave under Moyes' management. I'm not being a pedant....read the post ffs, "These are the players who have left Goodison under Moyes/Kenwright..." You want to throw Alan Ball in as another example ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 That just reports the NOTW invention. £20m is derisory anyway. If you think thats derisory read this..... Jack of all trades fits Fergie bill. Steve Bates Manchester United are targeting Everton and England Under-21 star Jack Rodwell. United scouts have kept a close eye on Rodwell, and boss Sir Alex Ferguson has received glowing reports about the versatile 18-year old. With FIFA keen to pursue the '6+5 rule' - at the start of each league match, clubs must field at least six players eligible to represent the national team of the country in which the league is based - Fergie wants to maintain a core of English players at Old Trafford. Sensing Rodwell's huge potential, Everton moved quickly to upgrade his contract and the teenager recently signed a five-year deal. That will not deter Ferguson - just as it didn't put him off clinching a £27million deal to capture Wayne Rooney from Goodison five years ago. And with cash-strapped Everton still vulnerable to attractive offers for their stars, the Southport-born youngster has emerged as a serious United target. But Goodison boss David Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell, whose ability to play an attacking or defensive midfield role, in addition to operating as an emergency centre-back, puts his value to Everton at £9m. Rodwell made his debut for Everton's reserve team at the age of 15 and on his senior debut became the youngest player to represent the club in Europe when he came on as a substitute against AZ Alkmaar at 16 years and 284 days. He has continued to make rapid progress and in March was called up to the England U21 squad. Moyes thinks he's only worth £9 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Moyes thinks he's only worth £9 million. Steve Bates thinks Moyes thinks Rodwell's worth £9m....which is a bit different. Steve Bates (whoever he is) has plainly only recently emerged from the primordial soup in terms of football knowledge. More fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Steve Bates thinks Moyes thinks Rodwell's worth £9m....which is a bit different. Steve Bates (whoever he is) has plainly only recently emerged from the primordial soup in terms of football knowledge. More fantasy. This reads a bit different Mike, he does,nt think it he says it ..... But Goodison boss David Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell, whose ability to play an attacking or defensive midfield role, in addition to operating as an emergency centre-back, puts his value to Everton at £9m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsmith69 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This one really is gathering pace, back of the M.E.N says fergie is preparing a 20 mill bid in January, but chelsea and city will rival this bid. I may be being stupid here but where does it say Moyes values Rodwell at 9 mill? I would like to see a quote from moyes first to believe that. I am with Mike, it is Bates who thinks moyes values rodders at 9 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This one really is gathering pace, back of the M.E.N says fergie is preparing a 20 mill bid in January, but chelsea and city will rival this bid. I may be being stupid here but where does it say Moyes values Rodwell at 9 mill? I would like to see a quote from moyes first to believe that. I am with Mike, it is Bates who thinks moyes values rodders at 9 mill. Quite simply it doesnt! Im with you and Mike on this one the £9M is just a random figure plucked out of the air by the same lazy journalist who started the rumour Dont get me wrong I do beleive that City, Utd and Chelski are all sniffing around but I dont beleive for one second that any of them think they can get him for £9M or that Everton would entertain such a derisory offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 This one really is gathering pace, back of the M.E.N says fergie is preparing a 20 mill bid in January, but chelsea and city will rival this bid. I may be being stupid here but where does it say Moyes values Rodwell at 9 mill? I would like to see a quote from moyes first to believe that. I am with Mike, it is Bates who thinks moyes values rodders at 9 mill. You are not looking close enough. But Goodison boss David Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell, whose ability to play an attacking or defensive midfield role, in addition to operating as an emergency centre-back, puts his value to Everton at £9m. Ignore what is in between cos that could have been anything .......... But Goodison boss David Moyes, who has red hair and wears a black suit, puts his value to Everton at £9m. He doesnt say I think David Moyes puts his value, or i assume David Moyes puts his value, or its rumoured David Moyes puts his value ...... Now if you cant see that i suggest you go for an immediate eye test. If that is untrue then i expect Moyes will have him in court like he did Rooney, for saying things about him that are lies. Its a bit different when things go down in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 No-one is arguing that Bates is reporting that Moyes values him at £9m Bill. We're just suggesting that, what with him being a journalist and all, it may not actually be true. Hate to disillusion you but, in case you've not noticed, journos make things up from time to time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 No-one is arguing that Bates is reporting that Moyes values him at £9m Bill. We're just suggesting that, what with him being a journalist and all, it may not actually be true. Hate to disillusion you but, in case you've not noticed, journos make things up from time to time . I know what your saying Mike and even i believe he is worth twice as much, but journo's can end up in court for "making up" untruths or lies about a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Just for my own interests sake. What do you guys think he is worth as a player right now? Forget potential and that kind of thing. Imagine he was 28 - what would he would be worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Personaly, i'd like us to get tough on transfer fee's (like the lescott sum) and if they aren't willing to pay, then FCUK off! i'd say, based on potential, skill, age, two-footedness, character, marketing capabilities, future England captain material....i'd say £30m plus add ons or £20 + 3/4 fringe players. It wont happen, but if they want him that bad, then why shouldnt we expect those figures? as someone has mentioned, he's the type of player a team is built around; ala Gerrard, Lampard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Personaly, i'd like us to get tough on transfer fee's (like the lescott sum) and if they aren't willing to pay, then FCUK off! i'd say, based on potential, skill, age, two-footedness, character, marketing capabilities, future England captain material....i'd say £30m plus add ons or £20 + 3/4 fringe players. It wont happen, but if they want him that bad, then why shouldnt we expect those figures? as someone has mentioned, he's the type of player a team is built around; ala Gerrard, Lampard... Its difficult to say with him being so young but I think perhaps he's missing a bit of nastiness to be truly complete. That will come with age though hopefully. Fabregas is now a nasty little bugger now for example. We'll see. I think he'll be a diamond. Unfortunately just not at Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/11/no_need_for_rodwell_to_rush.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/11/no_need_for_rodwell_to_rush.html good blog that, i like McNulty, usually a good read. Here's hoping Jack listens to support around him. I really hope he becomes our Steven Gerrard. Hes got the potential... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) You are not looking close enough. But Goodison boss David Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell, whose ability to play an attacking or defensive midfield role, in addition to operating as an emergency centre-back, puts his value to Everton at £9m. Ignore what is in between cos that could have been anything .......... But Goodison boss David Moyes, who has red hair and wears a black suit, puts his value to Everton at £9m. He doesnt say I think David Moyes puts his value, or i assume David Moyes puts his value, or its rumoured David Moyes puts his value ...... Now if you cant see that i suggest you go for an immediate eye test. If that is untrue then i expect Moyes will have him in court like he did Rooney, for saying things about him that are lies. Its a bit different when things go down in print. Sorry mate you're wrong. Look at how the sentence is put together - "Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell," one clause, stating Moyes's thoughts, which is pretty bleeding obvious. Then, entirely new clause, "whose ability... puts his value at £9m." Moyes isn't doing the 'putting', it's 'Rodwell's ability' - in other words, pure conjecture on the part of the journo. I'm a former journo myself, i know how this stuff works Edited November 19, 2009 by nogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I don't think Rodwell's the type to leave - he's playing regular Prem and European football, he's come through the ranks and he can see former academy players around him who have become established prem players under Moyes. Rooney had his head turned by a w**ker of an agent who saw a quick buck and filled his head with tales of trophies and superstardom, Rodwell is still looked after by his dad and is hopefully bright enough to realise he can become a superstar at Everton FC. Apart from that, I don't think he's quite in the Gerrard/Fabregas/Rooney bracket - they were match winners at 18, he's solid, one who's gonna get better the more he plays. He'd rot in the reserved at Chelsea, they never bring kids on, he'd probably do the same at City with all their stars. Fergie would probably do a great job with him, but he wouldnt be playing much first team football for a couple of years, so why bother? I resent all the talk that we're 'vulnerable' to offers and desperate for a quick buck - Lescott wanted to go, and let's face it, we fleeced City for him, he's been dreadful for them. The only way Rodwell will go is if he wants to, and like I started off saying, i just don't think he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Sorry mate you're wrong. Look at how the sentence is put together - "Moyes is determined to keep Rodwell," one clause, stating Moyes's thoughts, which is pretty bleeding obvious. Then, entirely new clause, "whose ability... puts his value at £9m." Moyes isn't doing the 'putting', it's 'Rodwell's ability' - in other words, pure conjecture on the part of the journo. I'm a former journo myself, i know how this stuff works Yeah right mate . you working out a reply like that reminds me of the clues in a TV Show called Dusty Bin. :lol: Maybe your not old enough to remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 ...reminds me of the clues in a TV Show called Dusty Bin. :lol: Maybe your not old enough to remember that. I am. What a load of shite that was . Real example.... Clue: A wishbone with the "riddle," "Take one that never changes, add a pub and a precious stone, bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own" Answer "'Take one that never changes', well that could be Dusty Bin which of course is where you might throw a wishbone. 'Add a pub and a precious stone', well that doesn't point to Dusty. 'Bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own'. Well what about the wishbone? Sonny said 'a large wishbone', so what might a large wishbone come from? Something larger than a chicken. Turkey maybe? Now 'one that never changes' is a constant, a pub can also be an inn, there's a lot of precious stones but how many go with 'constant inn'? How about opal? Yes, Constantinople, up-to-date, the pride of Turkey, you've rejected the 3-2-1 holiday!" Bet Jack would have got the asnwer though (seamlessly back onto topic ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 If J.R Ewing came offering you good money for your back garden - you wouldn't sell - you know that he will strike oil and the subtsantial money he gave you would appear to be pennies. That's how I feel about selling our potential talent. They know he's gonna be a star. £20m, £30m, £40m could appear to be small change for this lad one day, the only way you would sell is if he was destined to be a similar player to Phil Neville - he's already better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Another big article. Press are like a dog with a bone on this . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1229658/If-Manchester-United-beat-Everton-starlet-Jack-Rodwell-join-.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Anyone feeling this is exactly like with Rooney? Me thinks Man United are using the press to unsettle Jack and let their interest me known to him in the hope it'll turn his head. The press are tapping him up for them basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 A few simple facts about Rodwell. Sure he's like Rooney, an Everton youth player, turned down by liverpool, chased by Man Utd and probably a few others. If we'd kept Rooney, we would have had a brilliant player amongst some pretty average ones, we were then as we are now not exactly bursting with money to add more better players to his talent.Maybe Rooneys form could have got us up and away from our regular relegation spot and into mid-table or above, wow even as high as say 6th!! But Rooney wanted to leave, with a little help from his agent and the press....and off he went to a better team and started winning trophies and earnning mega bucks, who could blame him? What of Everton, they spent the money and became a better TEAM, came 4th and have been up and around there ever since, just about.In the end we HAD to sell him, he WANTED to go and if he'd stayed how do you think he would have played for us! Rodwell, he hasn't asked to go!.....the press are the lowest of the low, with their lies and false stories.If it turns Jacks head and makes him want to leave, then what should Everton do! make him play out his contract, he's got about another 4 years hasn't he? will he play for us....with his heart?, then have him walk away on a free! Or do they ( if he WANTS to leave ) cash in with a massive fee.....(after all the press say he's the best around)....say around £25-30million range up front, WITH add ons to come.Get top dollar and try and improve the team just as they did with Rooneys sale. You can't stop the press writing shit.....you can't stop Rodwell wanting more money, his career could be wrecked after a couple of seasons.Maybe Moyes could offer him a fantastic new contract, say add on another 3 years and double his money, that might test him a bit, might unsettle other players, is it worth the risk of doing that? Plenty of players wanting to leave liverpool, man City might even lose one of their best, then there's ronaldo, he wanted to leave Man utd.....don't go on about them not having to sell! because they sure as hell don't want to lose their best players. Man Utd might not win the prem this year, probably because Ronaldo left!...could they keep him at United obviously not.....Alonso wanted to leave liverpool, are they as good without him?.....they can both afford to pay big wages, but they couldn't keep them. SO WHY OH WHY, do some think Everton are such a shit club, Moyes a shit manager, Kenwright a shit chairman.....just because a youth player, Rooney or Rodwell WANTS to leave? I think if it weren't for injuries this season we wouldn't have been a worse team without Lescott, if there is another reason OTHER than injuries, then I'd say look at the form of maybe Cahill more than the absence of Lescott. Ronaldo, Alonso, Lescott, Rooney......it's all down to what the player wants to do. Rodwells an Everton player, maybe he will hear people like Arteta talking and not his agent, I hope he stays at Everton, earns enough money to make him happy, be part of an exciting Everton team and wins a few trophies......BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANT.....What does Jack want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/moyes-no-rodwell-contact.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Blue, I hope that post wasn't aimed at me because I was talking about United's underhand tactics, not saying anything about Everton having a role in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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