their moaning because europe is where we want to be and we are not, and we where so it looks like we have gone backwards in a sense, and i think a lot of people are still hurting after the cup semi final, as for the good football, under Moyes it only ever seems to come it short bursts imo, he is still too negative, but then maybe the fact we have a goalscorer now will change his viewpoint and we might start being a bit more attack minded