Really? when was this then, please tell us, the name Joe Royle springs to mind, also didn't Pele make his debut at 17 in the world cup, did him no harm either did it, the list is endless if you think about it for a minute, these kids don't get the relevant experience unless you give them it, and you can't honestly sit there and tell me that Barkley is any worse than the likes of Neville,Gueye or Naismith.