what your saying is right though mark, surely moyes can now see that one if not both of hibbert and neville HAVE to be dropped based on last night, you would never think that out of the two neville brothers phil was thought to be the better player, every ball that came to his feet was returned with a 40 yard whack up the other end, the england rugby team could probably do with someone like that at the moment!! and aj clearly needs some timeout to sort his head, even the metalist players were going up to him at the end of the game to see if he was ok, he looked as if he was crying.