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No big suprise that the people you work with are anti-EU.. Presumably they only "know" it through you and you seem to be foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of the EU (liberal elitist dictatorship? ).. Also, most research shows that even after the enlargement of the EU in 2004 (eastern Europe), EU workers in the UK have contributed billions in taxes and have been net contributors to the UK treasury. The UK is almost at full employement and it is actually quite dependent on immigration for continued economic growth.

True Good luck; sincerely. Why?

My money is on atletico madrid. His manager has a really good relationship with them (also manager of Courtois). Unless Rom steps up and does some convincing (like he did with bolasie).

Well she spoke to Merkel about it and Merkel (as head of state of one MS) said the right of UK citizens to live in Germany is protected by free movement rules that are a basic element of the Single Market. If May then says she wants to quit the Single Market, well then .... I assume Merkel (and the other 26 MS) is waiting on the article 50 notification if it says anything about leaving the Single Market. If it does, the Commission has stated protecting the rights of EU citizens in the UK will be one of the first things that need to be settled and it will present proposals to the MS to that effect. It's important to keep in mind there is right now (IMO) no legal basis for the EU to give citizens of any given third country the right to move freely within EU borders. The EU has limited competences in this and is bound by its Treaties. So you can blame the EU for everything, but in this, as on many other issues you lay at its feet, I think it is incorrect to do so.

The fact that the EU is only willing to talk about the Brexit bill before anything else is indeed somewhat absurd; certainly because the number they set is irrationally high. However thanks to May the situation for UK immigrants is, imo, pretty clear. She said no single market and no jurisdiction of the ECJ which means no free movement for EU nationals to UK which means no free movement of UK nationals to EU. She has set out the basic red lines, from there you can figure out the rest. Unless you feel there is still a possibility she will soften. Your case is even more clear. Right now you are in a 3rd country as is your right as an EU citizen. You have no such right as a UK citizen so as soon as you loose EU citizenship, you're in trouble. This is a matter for UK - Switzerland relations, and has little to do with the EU once the UK is out of the EU. I really hope you get your permit asap. It seems like you'll have well over two years to get it though, because there is no way you'll loose your EU citizenship before brexit is completely done and over with.

To be fair, I think May has given all the details she can at this stage. From this you can pretty much gather her intent on any other related issue. She wants: - no single market - no customs union - no EURATOM - no immigrants (cap at 100.000) = full break with continent. So if I were an UK immigrant in another country, I'd probably apply for some type of permanent residency.

How many times can this bill now be sent back and forth between HoC and Lords? From what I could found out after a quick google, it could be sent back and forth until the end of time ?!? ... you guys could really use a written constitution to clear some of this stuff up.

I agree that if a country is not invested in the success of the EU, by all means it should leave. It's why I backed leave before the referendum (see my first post in this thread). I just try to point out the positive aspects of EU membership, something that has been sorely missing in the British public debate. Imo, the fact that a majority backed brexit is mostly a perception problem of what the EU is and does. Secondly, there's many different ways to brexit and the current path chosen is the most destructive one. Many of the positive aspects that the UK could opt into once outside the EU, are already off the table. As I wrote in previous post, on its current path, the UK will be a 'small' and isolated country, which, even outside the EU it doesn't have to be.

This "taking back control' (meaning: immunising the country from foreign whim and interest, while asserting national dignity and independence), is an illusion. To keep businesses from moving elsewhere, Britain may have to shadow EU regulations and pay into EU programmes without the chance to shape either. UK trade deals will be forged with a fraction of the negotiating force that has long promoted its intrests. That means more concessions to the tariff and regulatory preferences of foreigners. Take Indonesia for example, which is currently drawing up a trade agreement with the EU. Indonesia has already agreed with British officials that the eventual deal with the EU could simply be tailored a bit to suit Britain. But warns "of course the UK would be in a much weaker bargaining position outside the EU, so we could expect much more favourable terms of trade against the UK post-Brexit. Regarding domestic policy the EU is the best protection for UK citizens against a regulatory race to the bottom. What if, for example, France decided to give a lot of antibiotics to their pigs, thereby keeping more alive, and lowering the price of the average pig. To remain competitive, other countries would have to follow suit, with detrimental effects on public health. The EU prevents such things by ensuring certain basic standards are met. If you don't think such things could happen in the UK, Hammond has already used extreme deregulation as a threat to the other EU members. It's why I don't really agree with the statement that people will see the benefit of leaving the EU once the UK post EU future starts to take shape. On its current path, in 10 years time, I see the UK being a small open economy with a vulnerable currency and a persistent trade deficit. Or as the NewYorker recently hyperbolically put it " Brexit will mean that England, shorn of Scotland, Northern Ireland and maybe even Wales, contracts into a small, isolated, one-party state governed by schoolteacherly Conservatives who persist in wild-eyed delusions about their country’s special grandeur. "

same message, different PM http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/john-majors-incendiary-speech-branding-9929258 First British PM I was old enough to know about (passionately dislike).. he raises the same points as Blair (although he doesn't call for an uprising).

A friend of mine knows a guy, who knows a guy that works for AB-INBEV and he says that the closer you go to the actual place where they brew a certain beer, the worse the quality. People tend to favour a locally brewed beer regardless of quality (because of pride or whatever) ... the best batches get exported to other countries where people need to be convinced by the taste to buy an unknown beer.. So the Stella you're drinking, is better than the one I am. Cheers.

So, technically, if Spurs never qualify for European football again, he doens't get any punishment for trying to break another players' leg?

In the last five years what players has the scandivian scout discovered for Everton.. doesnt seem like a big loss.

If Alli gets banned for 5 or more games, will that have any effect on his availability for England for UEFA/FIFA games or Tottenham in EPL?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-interview-highlights-idUSKBN1622RG The Good: -“I have very good relations with the EU. But I thought that the UK would pull out of Brexit and I was right. ... But the EU, I’m totally in favor of it. I think it’s wonderful" The Bad: - "We've fallen behind on nuclear weapon capacity. And I am the first one that would like to see ... nobody have nukes, but we’re never going to fall behind any country even if it’s a friendly country, we’re never going to fall behind on nuclear power. And I did tweet that. It would be wonderful, a dream would be that no country would have nukes, but if countries are going to have nukes, we’re going to be at the top of the pack." The Ugly: - "We're mandated to do the healthcare first. We have to. And that's for budgetary reasons. So the healthcare will come first. It's moving along really well. I would say before the middle of March."

Tottenham out after 2-2 @ Wembley.

Tottenham in trouble. edit: red card now for alli. horrible challenge, hopefully long ban.

that shot would have been amazing even with no defenders in sight. you are right that he is above the level of the Belgian league. for his stats alone he needs to come to Everton soon, lets not forget goals scored for anderlecht don't count

best strong (7+%) beers: Chimay, Rochefort, West-Vleteren .. (only brewed by monks so probably unknown to most) daily drinkers: Stella, Grimbergen anything stout is awful.

American Chamber of Commerce : study on the EU Single Market. http://www.amchameu.eu/sites/default/files/amcham_eu_single_market_web.pdf Study concludes Single Market membership has made the UK economy 1,3% larger over the last 25 years, than it would otherwise have been, resulting in 933 EUR per household. Integration has also resulted in 389.000 extra jobs in UK. Further UK - Single Market integration is projected to add another 199.000 jobs and an extra 476 EUR per household. Before someone goes bonckers and "what about Greece": - this study is only about the Single Market and not about any other aspect of the EU. - it -is- possible to be a member of the Single Market but not the EU.

Doesn't really matter if you're a practicing muslim or not, though.. just because you practice Islam doesn't make you are a radical, let alone a terrorist. Same is true for any religion.

Thanks Mike.. although your link doesn't have the same juicy quotes about the war etc!

I actually think this thread has been really quite good.. especially when compared to other places online where they "debate" brexit.

what's your twitter handle? for what it's worth, I'm from a country equal in (population) size as Sweden and on various policy issues I often find myself thinking "if Sweden can do it, why can't we?" Concerning politics, social structure and how the state relates to its citizens, Sweden is, imo, one of the most impressive countries in the world.

not even in this thread ? .. I love their human-interest reporting.