Hafnia

Outstanding piece, many may disagree but there is so much content that apologists need to discredit till you get to the point where you ask yourself, "why do we need to spend so much time justifying this mans tenure and status?" - "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" has become tired. It's a decoration, something we used to believe. "Peoples club" is sadly more appropriate, in a way of saying "yep, Marks and Spencers is where the nice food is at, but Aldi do fruit for 59p" When Kenwright reviews his time at the club, can he honestly say he was a good Chairman? I don't think he can. I would love for him to have a moral victory that will endear him to his fiercest critics, i.e securing a sale that would transform our fortunes. Would Bill stand up and be successful in an Apprentice style bun fight? I think not. His tenure unfortunately is a story of missed opportunities. Not going into them, the piece highlights most of them adequately. He would likely point to David Moyes as the reason he should stay in, or the fact that he made himself teamleaders when no one else would etc etc. In the end he would likely be given the boot with comments such as "Hot air" "lies", "talk the talk". In the end we need to remind ourselves that the club is ours - the fans. Whilst Liverpool have had to publically fend off bulldozers in order to get themselves a better future, we are still being chipped away at brick by brick out of the limelight. Liverpool are trying to swim, they nearly drowned recently, but they will soon be swimming again, for us, we are forever treading water, trying to kid ourselves that we can win a race this way. The best thing Bill could do for us is to sell us to an owner of integrity.

That's the million dollar question, why would he be left out of the team... "I know that Bayern haven't approached Everton yet and they haven't contacted me either. I have to admit that I feel flattered that I'm being linked with a big club such as Bayern Munich though. I'd definitely be interested in joining them. They play Champions League football and I'm still eligible to play in the competition, since we don't play European football with Everton." How does he know they haven't contacted Everton? - Evidently, Mr Agent has been busy on his blackberry. I'm sorry but the whole scenario with him seems very wrong to me. Because he is a committed Pyscho Pat type of player, does not mean he has good old fashioned morals - loyalty. Yep we all know he loves to gee the crowd, look at the send off Ajax gave him, problem he has is that he seems to be very much in love with his own status, not playing starves him of the opportunity to be on his stage. I have yet to subscribe to the undoubted man love he seems to get from many fans which is why I can post an unbiased point of view. If this was a none alpha male footballer we are talking about - lets leave Ossie, Bainsey alone, I no doubt would be seeing far fiercer criticism.

No Kuyt, which is a bonus - he usually get's stuck in and the derby is his type of game. I would go all out against these lot. Agger is injured also and is a doubt, that leaves them using their much criticised long ball approach from defence. I would play Heitinga and Distin, have a strong word with both and get stuck right into Torres, starve him of services from midfield. Which effectively means cut gerrard out of the play. With Felli and Arteta and Tim, we should win the battle there as Gerrard has no midfield to complement his play. Get Pienaar to attack Johnson at every opportunity with Baines offering support, I would have Yak upfront with Beckford to start. They have no pace at the back whatsoever, I would use beckford as the outlet/run channels with Tim pushing forward to support Yak. Never confident in derby's, however on paper and on form this one should have the players chomping at the bit.

For me, he needs to focus on playing for the club that pays his wages. When playing for Holland he was making sounds about moving, at this moment he isn't playing and is making sounds. Sorry but I think a fair few of you are making excuses for him based on his cult status. For me he needs to knuckle down and win the centre half spot back. Whilst Moyes makes some very strange decisions, there must be something behind him leaving heitinga out. It makes my blood boil when players talk to the press about interest from other clubs, maybe Mr Moyes believes Heitinga isn't focused, it would certainly appear that way. At this moment he is turning into another Tommy Gravesen, plays to the crowd when it suits him, but has his eyes on other suitors. Very unsettling for the other players. He's only been here 5 minutes, we rescued him from a very unhappy time in Spain where opinions of him were not great. If he does think that he is playing below the level he should be due to the fact that he was mixing it in the world cup final, he wants to look at the list of: Kleberson, Kuyt, Roque Junior (Duncs mate), - world cup winners and finalists, none of which would be first names on our team sheet to say the least.

He is a striker, he needs to feel wanted and supported, when he does it shows in his game. He has never and will never be the type of player who covers 10km a game, give him the ball in and around the box and he will do the buisness. For me his attitude and body language is the same win or lose, however when we lose the perception is that he is lazy, when we win it is that he is laid back and cool. He is what he is, his apparent carefree attitude is what makes him such a cool finisher in my opinion, he never lets things bother him. Remember Jason Lee.....

Why not recall James Vaughan, or is that just too simple?

Yak will get a brace today.

Take players as they are, it's unlikely you would be criticising his laid back approach when he nonchalantly plants the ball in the back of the net. Liverpool are seeing exactly the same thing with Torres at the mo. You only criticise work rate when they ain't scoring. Yak is the best finisher at the club, and near the top 5 in the league. He's come back from a serious injury, is it his fault we put all our eggs in one basket and signed a league one player on a free? Give him the ball to his feet and watch things happen, don't expect him to run channels up front on his own. Simple, however our super duper manager needs to grow a pair and play him alongside a runner who will give the centre halves something to think about. Whilst we are at it best finishers ahead of yak: Torres, drogba, gerrard, you can pretty much squabble about whether anyone else has the same clinical and calm approach to finding the net. Sorry but had to edit this, what were you thinking when you compiled that list??? Were you going through rothmans football book and doing a quick a to z? Whilst watching re-runs of his miss for Nigeria. The problem with yak is the manager does not know how to get the team to play to his strengths. It's like buying a Porsche and expecting to go off road and perform like a land rover.

And the winner is...... Truth is we do not have a manager who can change things or find a solution quick enough to influence a result. Teams see us as a scalp nowadays and are happy to sit back and steal a goal, what do we do, pack the midfield and end up with a lone striker needing support. Yes - I was referring to ingame tactics, the inability to see where things are going wrong quick enough to make changes so that 1. we do not concede (Hibbert vs Malouda - yellow card FA cup) 2. Make attacking changes with enough time to score (numerous times) Quite astonished that some people are so determined to defend his lack of tactical nouse that they would choose to read the response the other way. Not to say that he takes some beating with his pre match tactics either! Playing the likes of Felli and Heitinga advanced of their best position and choosing to ignore the only player who should be started in an advanced position. Yes that man Coleman.

Traditionally slow starters? ah that's ok then, we can traditionally finish the season outside the top 4 and traditionally say "what if we weren't so poor at the start of the season - we would be in champs league" Yawn, bored of this. Was captain Phil signed up till he is gone 35 so he can do the media relations? The reality is the gap between top 4 and the rest is closing year on year, Bolton holding Man United, West Ham beating Spurs, West Brom beating Arsenal. Truth is we do not have a manager who can change things or find a solution quick enough to influence a result. Teams see us as a scalp nowadays and are happy to sit back and steal a goal, what do we do, pack the midfield and end up with a lone striker needing support. The only team we have scored more than 1 goal against at home in the Prem is Man United when we finally threw caution to the wind, the goal we scored in first half was due to them being caught forward trying to score another, something no other team barring Chelsea or Arsenal will do at Goodsion. We need Moyes to be less cautious...

So you agree that you need to score goals to win a game then?

Hopefully he may soon realise 451 is not the future before it's too late. Footballs a game you win by scoring goals, two strikers please.......

It's quite frightening, I'm actually starting to doubt his credibility, I'm by no means an apologist or a hater but you gotta judge the man based on his current performance, you go on sentiment or history you get relegated. Why is he coming out with this crap? A ten year old in the lower bullens could see that Coleman is our right mid solution, has he not seen bale at spurs? I think he can't see the woods for the trees, he is evidently sticking to his tried and trusted methods from yesteryear, the news is beckford is not Marcus bent and we are not reliant on such a player. I'm gettin to the stage where I'm tired of his inability to see what the fans see. It's not very nice when you are paid thousands of pounds to make important decisions, and some of those decisions could be made by the majority of fans, however seeking a different solution to justify your existence is stubborn and arrogant. The man needs to stop believing his own hype, as unfortunately the press are starting to see what we are, a tactically inept, limited manager. I know that is going to attract some remarks, such as "apart from that what have the Romans done for us" sorry, doesn't wash with me. He could achieve so much more if he sees the problems and solutions quicker, how often have we lost games where he has made subs that appear to be game changing but does it too late?

Not really, he was with Villareal, a Spanish almost equivalent of ourselves. Had 1 ridiculous year with Real Madrid, when he was sacked after achieving record points, but unable to beat an outstanding and possbly best club side in recent memory in Barcelona. So why would he not??? I guess you don't realise how much Moyes is paid? http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/25/2085955/in-pictures-the-ten-highest-paid-football-managers-in Offer Pellegrini the same squad, same salary and give him the same platform he had when he was with Villareal. Would he see it as a challenge? Yes, does he have the experience of such a challenge? Yes. Would he have us playing attacking football with strong tactical nouse... Yes. Transfer funds aside, we are an attractive proposition for any manager. A young squad, some very talented players.

Manuel Pellegrini

Quite simply it seems to me he can only manage his team when we are in injury crisis time. Give him options to use a sqaud and his choices are baffling. Play felli the only position he can play, defensive mid. Play heitinga instead of distin, drop osman, play beckford and yak up front and Coleman as a right mid. Does he not like it when expectations are high? P.s board, money for a right winger and striker in jan or get lost, the financial backing for this club has been pathetic.

. You really still prepared to stand by that statement? Forget history in the sense of comparing him to other managers, other time different scenario, royle did the business on the day, would he have left a wavering unfit yellow carded Tony hibbert on the pitch against malouda who was clearly the focused outlet until they equalised and moyes realised what was going on? Nope. I know of two people who say moyes has an unbelievable drive for analysis, he recruits someone who is good friends of a colleague of mine. I was at first imprssed by this until I realised great ingamemanagers don't need this. He wants to know the most minute detail after the game, the answer to that is..... It's too late, you've played heitinga in midfield, fellaini upfront, osman against a six foot unit, it didn't work, the fans know it and unfortunately the better the squad is the quicker your limitations are being exposed. Do you honestly believe he is going to make us what we want him to? I don't think he can.

He is paid to make the club progress, he gas done that but the stakes are high now. It's a results business, At the moment his decision making is called into question. How often are managers of teams that win questioned? It would be a shame to see him fail, he evidently can take a poor team and make them efficient, he can do that on a budget, the. Question is, is he a winner, a poor cup record and top 4 record says not.

Give Lenny Henry an 8pm Saturday night slot, not cos he's any good, but just remember comic relief and all he did. Should that happen? Nope. Same as moyes does not deserve the right to mess up a club he has taken so far. Yes, all we have is down to him, good and bad. The fact is expectations are high now, he has a team some managers would love, but he isn't getting the best from them. Heitinga in midfield? Osman, weak as kitten, fellaini attacking midfield, distin? Has he caught benitezitus?

Tim is neither a striker or midfielder, and lacks the technique and vision to be a link up player. He is great from set pieces and troubling centre halves. Speaking of which James Vaughan got a debut hat trick tonight for palace, he's a striker, get him fit and have him back asap

Always something to be bitter about, referee was appalling, let united players go through the back of our lads time after time, plus the final whistle WTF! Would he gave done that the other way around! Nope there was still 30 seconds left. Ref nearly as bad as dustybin

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/9746/exclusive-–-robson-‘jagielka-not-good-enough-england’. Must know what he's talkin about, after all big time player who is qualified to comment. Seriously, why talk such garbage. He read that jags is a good player? I'm sure fabio did more than read about him. Sounds like a bitter ex player who is frustrated at being average, in my opinion jags is a better player than Terry and rio as those two are past it, maybe he should tell arsene he needs to sack his scouts given their interest in jags.

We are a club running on a strict budget, there is no question about that. The potential is massive, and the potential is the following: The manager, the fans (we would fill a 50,000 modern stadium week in/out)the current players (signed by the manager). Our recent league placings considering the lack of spend has shown that we have a manager who is canny in the transfer market. My point is, where does Bill come into all this? Analogy time, yawn... We could be a wonder horse, great genetics, fast as lightening, winning each race by a mile, unfortunately we have a jockey on board who has a tight hold of the reigns and the horse can not run as quick as it wants to and never wins a race, so the punters are getting cheesed off that a horse they back so often is not giving them the returns they expect. The ones who are happy to pick up a few quid from an each way bet are happy, and will argue that the horses getting run too hard are ending up in the yard never to race again. In short, I think people are frustrated that we are 3 players away from a team that could seriously challenge,m to get these players requires money, and that money is not coming from the money men, end of.

Just seen the chin on sky, couldn't you laugh, questioning arsenals pursuit of schwartzer, hello mark Joleon lescott ring a bell. To give this topic some life let's see some examples of hypocrites.....

I tell you what is a fair deal, having a god given talent that enables you to move to Europe when most friends end up in prison or worse, then when your career hits the rocks a prem club is prepared to take a chance on you, then offer what is likely to be a deal worth over 50k a week till you are 32. 10m quid on top of what has already been amassed ain't a bad deal now is it? If fair means arteta is the benchmark I would say 80% of what he is on at the very most, 60k. Pienaar may have more workrate, he ain't quite got that same level of magic, still a great player.