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I've tidied up this post a bit because there were two conversations going on, I've moved all of last night's EGM to it's own thread because the original thread is about the possibility of another one. Also read this... http://www.evertonbanter.co.uk/2008/09/eve...issues-sho.html This is from the Everton Shareholders Association's secretary James Asquith (nothing to do with KEIOC):

Wyness was mentioned once in passing by Kenwright in a throwaway comment.. As I type this someone is writing the full minutes up anyway so you'll be able to read it for yourself. Ye official KEIOC version of events is up on the website http://www.keioc.net

I forgot to add.. some Kirkby residents are going to the European court to overturn the Compulsory Purchase Orders which could delay the ground move a further year after the public inquiry should it be passed.

Elstone's comments: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/everto...64375-20871677/ Robert Elstone, deputy chief executive of Everton FC, said: “We have had some quite extensive research done which is suggesting a value of well in excess of £4m per annum over a 15-year deal." It was Ian Ross who said £6million, Elstone had said £4million - my mistake. Carl, we seem to have diametrically opposed view points on this so there's no point in putting points forward. I've said above that I would like to see someone impartial produce a study on Goodison's redevelopment yet the club have only offered that KSS do it. You should take it for granted that Elstone & the board are intelligent. I added the "clever bloke" bit because he clearly knew what he was talking about and quoted several sources from RICS(Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors) about cost rises, and as I said above nobody challenged; not Elstone, not Kenwright, not KSS, no one. Worrying. Of course it will affect other stadium builds but do we want to be paying that much for a stadium in Kirkby which is basically a town on the outskirts? You seem to think so because it's the only option, I don't - all I would like to see are independent impartial experts suggest a way of redeveloping Goodison because last night Elstone only seemed to talk about non-viable ways of redeveloping despite there being an architect in the room who begs to differ - he's heard it all before, Newcastle United told him St. James Park couldn't be redeveloped, it could.

Yeah I was there but had to leave at 11 because I wouldn't have been able to get home. I voted to scrap the exclusivity agreement but wasn't able to stay to hear the result (they had us waiting for 1hr 40mins! - the EGM had finished around 8:30). It cost me £14 to get home because no buses go from County Road to town after 11pm!! and I had to get a cab to get the train to get a cab to get home. http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/egm-...n-defeated.html - that's slightly misleading when you consider that the board own vast majority of the shares. It was my first EGM and I can see why people become annoyed because it's very imbalanced especially if you don't agree with what's being said. Robert Elstone carried out a powerpoint presentation which glossed over the questions asked of him. Personally I think he was very evasive on questions and he didn't know the answer to some. He does have the gift of the gab and could sweet talk himself out of some difficult questions. I can see his reasons for finding Kirkby attractive (everything is on a plate ready and Everton just need to stump up the cash) but I don't think it's the most attractive offer available. SteveO says he likes him, for me - the jury is still out on him. He said the club has spent just under £2million on the project so far. He also refused to discuss anything with a numbers whether that was Goodison Park's value or how much he expected Everton to earn in naming rights because of commercial confidentiality yet he had stated he was expecting £6million per year in the Echo a few weeks ago. He said that he has asked Savills (property consultants) and KSS (architects) to look into redeveloping Goodison Park five weeks ago. Personally, I would have preferred for the club to get someone with no agenda (i.e. not employed by Destination Kirkby) to carry this out. So I found their analysis was flawed There was a funny moment when Carter was going on about a shared stadium and he said something like "I asked if they wanted to share a joint". He forgot to add the word stadium, Moyesy was the only person not laughing on the top table. Elstone's presentation was very one sided and misleading in my opinion. He gave three ways that Goodison Park could be redeveloped but ways which are not viable. They were: Rebuild Goodison as a 35,000 with a massive bullens road and lose money in short term Rotated and rebuild as a 35,000 seater stadium knocking down houses and lose money in short term Extend footprint, rebuild as a 50,000 stadium which was 230million and lose £x million a year whilst in development. He also said that Kirkby would be a 55,000 capacity stadium at one point which is not true, it's a 50,000. He failed to mention rebuilding Park End with a bigger cantilever stand or rotating the pitch and building the stadium up on a piecemeal basis. He also failed to mention any enabling development (hotel, leisure etc.) until Trevor Skempton (Evertonian architect who is critical of Kirkby) pulled him up on it. Elstone also said that the School and Garage were prohibitive to any redevelopment, Liverpool's Labour group leader Joe Anderson stood up said they weren't prohibitive at all and could easily be worked on. It seems the problem is securing the houses on the street. Bill Kenwright seems like a caricature of what you see on tele - clearly very passionate but is not well informed - I don't think he knew too much about the project. He didn't want to be there. I've never seen him in the flesh before and I actually thought he was bit intimidating when he wanted to be - if somebody said something he didn't agree with he would laugh or scoff at them. He tried not to allow anything bad to be said about the stadium apart from the traffic issues - if someone did say something bad about the stadium he would pull a face like a child sucking on a sour sweet. He went off on a tangent about investment and needing a billionaire when the question was something like "if you had the money would you still settle for Kirkby?" when the answer was clearly "no". The Savills guy was out of his depth.. people openly mocked him about his comments on Scotland Road. One bloke stood up and asked if he was the guy they laughed at last year.. bit harsh. The major problem as I said above is that Savills are not impartial. They have a loyalty to the destination Kirkby project so somebody else should have been invited in to have a go at redeveloping Goodison Park. His reasoning for not following up Scotland Road site was because Bestway didn't pay for a full feasibility study whilst Tesco did. He failed to mention that Tesco were tipped a wink (Kenwright had told Leahy he was interested, Kenwright said he met him after the Man City game a few years ago) and no company would do a full feasibility report etc. on without a nod from the board but it went unchallenged. Kenwright said any company who submits a full feasibility report with costings etc. will be looked at. Someone asked Elstone if the exclusivity agreement was worth it, Elstone said yes. Again, I beg to differ - the way I see it is Everton were the lynch pin to the project and without them there would be no DK so EFC had nothing to lose by not committing to it. Elstone said there is no expiration date but there are clauses - sadly no one asked him what they were. The KSS guy chatted nonsense despite his 25 years in the industry - he said Kirkby would be a similar standard to the City Of Manchester Stadium because Kirkby will cost more (he didn't take into account it was 4 years on and steel prices had risen dramatically!) I think he got off lightly because nobody really asked him any questions. Personally I was under the impression that KSS were only designing the interior and Barr did the architecture but this was never found out. Colin Fitz said that prices (Everton's contribution) based on figures from some Surveyers Institute could rise up to £151million based on recent steel price increases - nobody at all challenged this, which is worrying. Colin's a clever bloke knows what he's talking about. The SDG lady was torn apart on several occasions especially with regards to rail travel (only 3,800 can travel by rail per hour - less than 7% of attendance (clearly not good enough!). She was telling people they should change their travel plans because Kirkby couldn't support it and that Kirkby was a haven for cars. Somebody said to her "I'm from New Brighton, how do you expect me to get home after a night game". "SWIM!" came the reply from the fans. She didn't know what to say and her answer was mumbled, she said something about the club will provide a bus or commission a train run for you if there are any problems. She was adamant that supporters should change the way they travel to the game because Kirkby could not sustain it. Telling people that the new bus stop will be a 12 minute walk from the stadium. Elstone did not know who will pick up the tab for parking. This seriously worries me when the club's CEO doesn't even know what outgoings there are going to be. Tesco will pay for Kirkby railway station improvements and have a £10million grant to pay for traffic infrastructure changes. Philip Green is Kenwright's friend. Seriously he is. NO, he really is. Kenwright was very angry that someone had asked him if Green had any shares in Everton and he also declared that Green would not have any Arcadia stores in Kirkby and is backing the project for non personal gain reasons. Bill Kenwright acknowledged problems with transport plan but insisted the kinks will be ironed out which I suspect is nonsense considering SDG had to revise the plans 4 times prior to submitting the application and it still is very porous. Philip Carter talked about the Kings Dock but Elstone shut him up I think because it wasn't relevant. He was saying that the reason for Kings Dock wasn't the money but infact... we'll never know. It was like the end of the Monty Python's Holy Grail film which was bloody irritating to be honest. Warren Bradley waited a while to ask a question, he put his hand up around three times but Kenwright kept choosing somebody else until people pointed him out. Kenwright said "ah, Warren didn't see you there". He actually bamboozled Kenwright, it was painful to watch. It was like watching a naughty schoolboy try to worm his way out of trouble. He asked Kenwright when did Everton approached LCC to discuss Scotland Road. Kenwright answered a different question. Bradley was booed by a few people (around 10) there because they believe he has put the mockers on the ground move. Kenwright said he considered Bradley a friend because they've spoken more recently. Carter said the site had been looked at and dismissed because Tesco couldn't afford the cross-subsidy on the loop site. Joe Anderson spoke very well. He flat out told the Everton board that the School can go and the garage by the Park End can be moved on. He received a huge applause that lasted around a minute. I still don't know what Jon Woods sounds like or what he does, he never spoke. Some bloke from Kirkby was there telling everyone how it would ruin Kirkby resident's lives etc.- this is an EFC forum so it's not worth going into but put simply the residents are getting a bad deal. He was told to shut up by those who booed Bradley and want the groundmove to go ahead, there was a very clear divide between fans although I would say that a lot more people in the room were not interested in going to Kirkby. Professor Tom Cannon was the only person who spoke in favour of the development on the microphone (along with the board, obviously) but I didn't agree with a lot of what he had to say. He was not that interesting and said nothing I hadn't heard before. He received the loudest boo of the night. Trevor Skempton was invited to meet KSS and Savills to discuss Goodison redevelopment. Kenwright wants to put together a fan group to discuss transport issues with SDG. There was some confusion about future expansion which is no clearer to being resolved. My understanding of it is this. The initial plan is for a 50k seater, it could be expanded to 60k for £25million but it is unlikely as transport can not sustain it. Rather than admitting this, the KSS guy said it can be extended at a later date to 60,000. Overall a disappointment and the outcome of the vote was a farce but expected. I didn't even get a free butty.

This week... I have read Steve Martin - Born Standing up Pele - My Autobiography Chris Moyles - The difficult second book. I've not had much sleep.

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Worryingly.. he only has a potential of 150 on Football Manager I'd never heard of him until the Liverpool games.

I think Romey was being sarcastic Jimmy! Bill Kenwright said at the ESCLA meeting that investors are not interested in Everton because we share a city with Liverpool. The same applies to Manchester City yet were able to attract a billionaire.

This may be posted somewhere else already but Jack Rodwell has been called up to England u19s to play Netherlands on September 9th in Shrewsbury.

So when you come to Goodison you won't be purchasing a Lambbanana Model then?

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He was probably Walter Smith's best signing in hindsight. One that many people criticised (including me!)

It's a bit harsh on Xisco - he only signed yesterday!

90,000.00 EUR = 73,146.31 GBP 73,146.31 * 12 = 877755.72 per year 877755.72 / 52 = £16879 per week I've never known a £15million player to be paid 'little'. I wouldn't be surprised if Alan Shearer was on more when he signed for Newcastle in 1996!

I stand corrected!! It's a joke having the transfer window deadline after the UEFA registration date. :angry2:

It could be a lack of Carlsey !

Number 25? I wonder why he didn't take number 16 (I copied and pasted from wikipedia.. I know.. I know..). Liverpool Reserves have a squad size of 28... its rather depressing. Our u18s and first team seem to overlap to make the reserves squad.

It's an interesting comment because he has plucked up the better players in championship teams.. Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka for example. I don't think it's the same as asset stripping though!

He's not cup tied.. it was a gentleman's agreement between Everton and Leige that he would not play against his old team.

Liverpool Daily Post are suggesting that Everton may have it at unsocial hours to make it hard for people to attend:

Goalkeepers (4) 1 Nash 12 Turner 24 Howard 30 Ruddy Defenders (10) 2 Hibbert 3 Baines 4 Yobo 5 Lescott 6 Jagielka 15 Jacobsen 18 Neville 19 Valente 26 Rodwell 34 Irving Midfielders (9) 7 Van der Meyde 8 Castillo 10 Arteta 16 Fellaini 17 Cahill 20 Pienaar 21 Osman 32 Gosling 36 Kissock Attackers (8) 9 Saha 14 Vaughan 22 Yakubu 27 Jutkiewicz 28 Anichebe 35 Agard 37 Baxter 38 Wallace Squad size: 31 players Academy graduates: 10 players Internationally capped: 15 players